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11/20/2012 8:33 AM  

I was able to escape on Friday to do a little duck scouting. when I arrived I was not but 150 yards on my treck when my phone rang with my wife on the other end telling me that I "need to get home right now," and that Adie was having a seizure. So two hours back home went.  On Mondaythe vet said that most likely was epilepsy and sent use home with a bottle of pills, a stack of literature, and instructions to call them if there are any more seizures. 

Just intersted what others have experienced with this.

 

 

 

 

 


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11/20/2012 9:20 AM  
I know my parents lab had seizures... not sure if they determined from epilepsy or diabetes (I know she had that)...

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11/20/2012 9:21 AM  
I want to add how scary! Hope you can get a handle on it and she doesn't have anymore!

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11/20/2012 9:58 AM  
Epilepsy is very hard to diagnose. I am surprised your vet did not question you more about possible triggers for seizures, and instead just prescribed a medication. I think I would get a second opinion. Just like people animals also have seizure thresholds that do not necessarily mean epilepsy. Many things can trigger a seizure and it may be a one time event never to happen again. I talked to my vet about seizures as I had a greyhound years ago that had grand mal seizures and we ended up putting her down at 4 YO because she developed heart problems from the seizures. She was an extreme case and we never were able to get the seizures under control.

My vet told me about one dog she treated that had periodic seizures. They finally figures out that every time her kid came home from college the dog would have a seizure due to the dogs excitement level. They changed what the kid did when she came home and dog never had another seizure. That is one example of a dogs threshold for a seizure being triggered by an event. Not necessarily epilepsy. Also, my bet told me that the more often a dog seizes the more likely they are to have another seizure as the seizure pathway in the brain is learned.

My personal opinion is you should get another opinion before starting your dog on meds. This might be a one time event, never to occur again. Or it may be very rare. In both cases you do not necessarily need to medicate the dog. How bad was the seizure? Did the dog stiffen and have problems walking. Or was it a full blown seizure where the dog fell over and thrashed around for a minute or so? Was the dog able to come out of the seizure easily? What was the seizure event like? What things were going on around the dog when she seized? Had she been exposed to any chemicals, etc? There are some chemicals that can cause seizures too? The more you can identify about the experience the more a vet can help you.

Good luck, and I hope this was a one time event. Keep us posted on how she does.

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11/20/2012 9:59 AM  
I would also get in touch with your breeder to see if they have seen epilepsy in any of their other dogs. Also, the breeder needs to know about this in case they are thinking about future breedings. If this is truly epilepsy, the breeder will not want to breed any of the effected dogs.

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11/20/2012 11:20 AM  
absolutely agree with Bev - I do know of dogs (not gsp's) that have had regular seizures and even they were never diagnosed as epileptic.

some dogs that are prone to seizures are doing extremely well with no meds - they discovered various triggers and controlled them thus avoiding further seizures

I do know that some dogs take a low dose of phenobarb and do well on it - you wouldn't know they were on it and they don't have seizures

I am praying it was a one time event or that you can discover the trigger and control it that way.

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11/20/2012 11:22 AM  

When I was younger I owned a black cocker spaniel, Waldo, that had epilepsy.  His were mostly stress induced. Whenever we were going anywhere if he saw the suitcase he would have a full on seizure within a few hours.  During his seizure he would get very rigid and I would make sure he was on the floor so he didn't fall and hurt himself.  His front legs would trash, his eyes would get glassy and he would salivate and his body would tremble. Immediately after he came out of his seizure I would take him outside because he would need to eliminate both his bladder and his bowels

We disovered the seizures when he was a young pup and the vet put him on phenobarbitol.  He was monitored on a regular basis and his medication would be adjusted dependent on how many seizures he was having and how long they were lasting.

We were able to manage it and he lived to be 14 years old. We also would try to minimize his stress by always packing when he was outside and putting the suitcase in the car so he didn't see it.

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11/20/2012 11:31 AM  
Thanks Bev. She had a full blown Grand Mal seizure. She was foaming and evacuating her baldder and convulsing on the floor. Since then I have noticed very slight changes in her behavior. Her gait as she runs in not as sharp, it seems a bit sloppyand she has been laying around more than usual. I was not very clear about the meds. The pills were given in the event that she has an other episode. The vet also offered to refer us to Purdue for an MRI. She has had just the one seizure that we know of so far, so we are going to see if there are any further seizures and just be wary of what leads up to them before we start any drastic procedures or medications.

Thanks again. I will keep this updated as things change.

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11/20/2012 11:33 AM  

Thank you for everyone's insight.


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11/20/2012 1:05 PM  
I am so sorry. I hope this turns out to be an anomaly. It is very scary to see a dog have a seizure and to know that there is not that much you can do for them during a seizure. If she has another, please take her to Purdue as there is so much more than can do today, than they could back when my greyhound had seizures. I am praying and hoping this is a one time occurrence. Give Adie hugs from her buddies in TX.

Just for the record it does take them some period of time before the after effects wear off. Some go away faster than others. So not surprised you may still be seeing side effects.

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11/21/2012 5:18 AM  
Texas bell is absolutely right . Look into this. It is important to record any or all seizures, Time of seizure ,duration of seizure . Max has seizures & it is a heartbreaker. What is an even bigger heartbreaker is when & how they started. In any case we have started on a medication called KBR . I waited a long time to start in hopes they might stop on their own & knowing the drugs do a certain amount of damage to the dogs vitals. Supposedly this KBR is easier on the animals vital organs . We have only just started so can't really comment on if we are getting results yet. We started 12 days before maxs next seazure time frame & he missed the time frame with no seizure however he did have a seizure last week. They say KBR takes up to 3 months to begin to work. Good luck with this & feel free to PM me with any questions I may be able to help you with .

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11/21/2012 1:49 PM  
Very encouraging stuff. I going with it was due to a vitamin B (as in bird) deficiency. So we're going hunting!

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11/21/2012 5:37 PM  
KBR is Potassium Bromide, also needs careful regulation but it is indeed a great alternative to Phenobarb which is gonna keep 'em doped up. I would check your ingredients in foods and treats also as well as everything else Bev has suggested. There is anecdotal information regarding the use of Rosemary oil or essence as a preservative in some of the higher end foods as causing seizures, as well as artificial colors (red and yellow in particular) in some treats. I would also get a second opinion and some possible neurological workups. Remember that seizure disorder is only a symptom of something else and can be triggered, as many have said, by a lot of things. So sorry to hear and hope that you are able to pinpoint the triggers. If it happens again, just put her in her crate and let her rest, try to keep it quiet around her. Noises and a lot of light can exacerbate cluster seizures also.

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12/11/2012 2:21 AM  

My brother had a yellow lab who would have seizures. There wasn't a specific reason for the seizures and the vet determined that they weren't frequent enough, so he didn't describe meds.


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12/15/2012 2:31 PM  

 Yes,  Our black lab has had seizures since she was about 6 months old. They started with her just sort of trembling and staring for about 30 seconds and then increased to entire body stiffening with shaking, and incontenence, and they last about 5-10 minutes from start to finish.  The actual shaking only lasts about 2-3 minutes, the rest is the out of it post-ictal stage. There are no known triggers for her, and they just ocurr randomly about 3 or 4 times a year.  The vet chose not to medicate her because they are so infrequent.  She is almost 13 years old.  They are hard to watch. She knows when she is going to have them, and will come find us and lay down in front of us if we are close by. 


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12/24/2012 10:40 AM  
Just wanted to let everyone know that there have not been any further incidents. It feels like a double edged sword. I wish we could figure what triggers the seizure, but that involves another seizure. We have been afield a few times and Adie been Happy Happy! Thanks to everyone for their input.

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12/24/2012 11:53 AM  
Good news!

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12/25/2012 9:31 PM  

That's great to hear!


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12/26/2012 7:35 PM  
Great news. I am hoping for no recurrence. Glad she is also having fun in the field.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

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