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11/18/2012 9:58 AM  

Hello... I am considering a GSP for my first dog. I know it is the individual, not the breed, ultimately, to gauge for good lifestyle fit (I should know as I have the most mellow, level headed thoroughbred racehorse anyone has ever seen!). That said, I would appreciate your input (looking for pros and cons, not DO IT or DON'T DO IT responses). Is it possible to find a GSP that will fit me and my lifestyle?

Quiet (low-no bark), gentle, mellow, good with cats and able to deal with a house rabbit (I would not leave unsupervised and can keep 100% separated if
needed)
Well-trained/easily trainable (I have good experience with clicker training as I have used it to work with my thoroughbred horse)
Somewhat active, but not hyper (due to a childhood dog accident, I don't do well with dogs that jump at my face, and can't have that at my office)
Low maintenance coat
Low odor (I'd take her to work with me and this would be important to my coworkers)
Low drool (see above)
Would like to go for walks/hikes and join me for road trips and occasional camping
It would be great to have a dog that could accompany my horse and I on rides, but it is not a dealbreaker! It would be great if she could go to the stables with me and on trail rides there (300 acres of open fields!).
No  separation anxiety or submission issues. I tend to
prefer dogs that are companionable and self-assured, rather than anxious and clingy (if that makes sense)
I want an adult dog so I have a better idea of personality and lifestyle fit.

Other considerations -- I currently live in a condo, but hope to have my own home soon. There is a fenced dog park down the road, and I have friends with dogs and fenced areas for play. I am good with training
other species... I'm even teaching my horse some agility. The house rabbit is even trained to a point (litter trained, knows several words).

I understand leadership (I am my horse's herd leader). I use positive reinforcement in my teaching. Never harsh punishment.

I am willing and able to take an obedience class with her, if needed.
If she liked it, I think we would have fun with agility.
It would be great to have a dog who could do well off-leash in large hay fields... so she could run.

I am a professional, stable adult (46 years old). I have several close friends who train dogs, so I would have a good support network. And I have people/family who would take her during the rare times I am out of town. She would live in the house with me, would have her own bed and crate (if that's her thing), and even go to work often.
She would not be left outside unattended. And I'm sure my neighbor would love to "borrow" her on occasion when he goes running. A shared dog!

Exercise... if OK off-leash, could run several times per week at the stables and accompany the horse and I on rides. Dog park visits, and daily high-speed walks, occasional hikes (I live in the Rockies). The condo assoc. I live in may be able to fence in a run, if I pay for it. I am recovering from major surgery and am looking for an athletic motivator!

I am looking for a great, respectful dog that will hang out with me, but not need to be in my lap/face all the time, well-behaved, quiet, enjoys play time, etc.

I can offer the right dog a very good, active, stable, quiet home! I am not in a hurry. I want to find the perfect fit... for both of us.

My brother had a GSP that had MAJOR separation anxiety and was hyper submissive. I suspect that was part of her makeup, but I also doubt she got enough serious, consistent exercise.

I am considering a local rescue group to help find the perfect match and they have several 2-4 year olds that may be a good fit. All have been fostered for awhile and so any issues should be well-known ahead of time.

Thank you for your time and input!

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11/18/2012 10:46 AM  

Much of what you are inquired about will be only so much genetics, and very much so how you raise and train your dog. I will try and hit on what you have asked as best I can with my experience - but we have worked hard and consistently to have a well trained and well rounded dog. It will not happen magically (not saying you expect it to).

Quiet (low-no bark), gentle, mellow, good with cats and able to deal with a house rabbit: We did not allow our GSP to be overly vocal, and have discouraged it by ending play sessions if she got too rough or vocal. As a result, she is not overly vocal around us or in the home...however, she has learned through playing with other dogs that being vocal is OK. She also will give a warning bark to the door. But she does not bark excessively or unnecessarily. She is good with the cat, but we worked very hard on training with this as well. Socialization and monitoring is the key. I would never leave your bunny unattended, as you are already on the right train of thought there. Their speed in and of itself could trigger something in the dog regardless of being socialized.

Well-trained/easily trainable: Being well trained will be up to you and how much effort you put in. Being easily trainable is very much so a trait of the dog as they are incredibly intelligent. That same intelligence can create some obstacles to training, but do your research and be prepared to be patient and consistent and you should be fine.

Somewhat active, but not hyper: These dogs are not typically "somewhat" active. They ARE active. However, my particular dog settles nicely in the house, indoors, in the car...etc (given she has had adequate exercise both mental and physical). She has energy of the moment. She could go all day for days if necessary, but is a couch potato when there is nothing better to do. Again, I fully believe this is in part to her genetics, and very much in part to how we raised her. She is a jumper, and we are working diligently on this. The problem you will face with a young dog who wants to jump up is NOT the dog's ability to understand what is expected, but people who will not follow through with an appropriate response to a jumping dog. I let go of feeling bad being the "bad guy" and have since started asking ALL people who want to pet my dog to command her to sit, and not touch her at all until she does. This is doing wonders.

Low maintenance coat, Low odor, Low drool:
next to no maintenance coat. Dries quickly, dirt and sand can be brushed right off. I'm not sure about all, but mine has never had a "dog" smell, and when she gets wet it tends to only bring out her shampoo smell again. The only time she gets somewhat stinky is after a full weekend at camp and hunting. She adores baths. The only time I have ever seen her drool was when she was getting sick, or when is she overly focused on something that she cannot have (staring at a squirrel out of her reach and stuck in the "stay" position lol). However, you will want to be aware that these guys tend to have as much water fall out of their mouth as stays in it when drinking. I believe it is due to their instinctual soft mouths.

Would like to go for walks/hikes and join me for road trips: My dog goes literally just about everywhere with me so long as the weather and length of time is OK for the occasions she will be left in the car. Work with your puppy very early on recall and how much "range" you want (if you won't be hunting, train your puppy on staying close to you). Bella does both off lead hikes and leash walks. We both prefer our off lead exercise. Socialize with your horse and so long as your horse is also fine with the dog, I don't see where that would be an issue. Many on this forum have both. I began working very early on with my dog on her car manners. She is a phenomental traveler.

No  separation anxiety or submission issues: This will depend greatly on how you raise your dog, but know that they tend to be a more sensitive breed. They are bred to be very independent in the field, but are also very attached and loyal to their families. Some dogs are more dominant than others. Mine is not at all dominant but is not outwardly submissive. She is happy go lucky but is learning to stand up for herself with brash dogs that would take advantage of her being too submissive. This coming more with age and confidence building.

I currently live in a condo: If you have avenues for exercise, great walking areas, the dog park you mentioned, taking your pup trail riding with you...living in a condo will not be an issue for your dog.

I understand leadership (I am my horse's herd leader). I use positive reinforcement in my teaching. Never harsh punishment: Then you are already on the right track. This is a sensitive breed, and you will not get any where with harsh punishment, and would do more counter productive training than positive.

I am willing and able to take an obedience class with her, if needed: This will be up to you. Do you feel you can do it on your own, or do you the assistance of a class. We chose to do a class simply for the socialization with other dogs when Bella was a puppy. Due to the training we had already put in, she was able to skip the puppy class and was in with the "big dogs". It was perfect. We have, otherwise, done all training on our own.

If she liked it, I think we would have fun with agility: My dog would excel and adore agility, but we have no avenues for it where we live, unfortunately. This is a breed of athletes. They love having tasks or jobs to do. If you won't be hunting your pup, doing agility would be a great alternative.

It would be great to have a dog who could do well off-leash in large hay fields... so she could run: This is a breed bred to range for hunting with a strong prey drive. You will notice the majority of GSPs that are off lead to also be wearing an electronic collar. Ours does not wear one when off lead, but we have worked very hard in our training. Once she has more hunting years under her belt, this could change for us. You will need to do the same if you want a dog you can trust off lead (this goes for any breed). The majority of our exercise comes from off lead hiking.

I am looking for a great, respectful dog that will hang out with me, but not need to be in my lap/face all the time, well-behaved, quiet, enjoys play time, etc: With appropriate training I don't see where you would have anything but with this breed. Now, mine does like to be where I am, but doesn't need to be attached to me. She just likes to know I'm nearby, but is content doing her own thing at times we aren't doing things together. She will "check in" often, which I much like.

My brother had a GSP that had MAJOR separation anxiety and was hyper submissive. I suspect that was part of her makeup: I doubt it being an issue of makeup so much as I suspect it to be more human error in training and response to the issue. No offense.

I am considering a local rescue group to help find the perfect match and they have several 2-4 year olds that may be a good fit. All have been fostered for awhile and so any issues should be well-known ahead of time: If you adopt, be prepared for training the dog to be exactly what you want to possibly be a little more difficult (but not at all impossible). But, you could also end up with a great already started dog too. You just never know.

Good luck with your search and decision.

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11/18/2012 11:02 AM  

Thank you so much for the thoughtful response... very helpful!

The fields at the stables have plenty of birds/waterfowl and prairie dogs, so good off-leash training will be paramount. I would love for my dog to have the sheer joy of running!

I would take an obedience class for sure... I do well training other animals, but a dog will be new for me and I am sure there is basic information that will be helpful.

-Alplily

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11/18/2012 11:41 AM  
These dogs need to run :) so that is great. When we hike, I may hike 5 miles, but that means Bella hikes 10+ miles lol. She knows she can range until she hears me whistle which means to fall back and stay closer. A whistle followed by a "here" means to come all the way back. All the while, for me, she must always be in view since we hike trails frequented by mountain bikers and joggers. We trained trail manners in that she returns to me when others are approaching until I release to "go meet" or she is to stay until a bike or runner has past and is not at all allowed to follow after.

You sound bet committed to training, and I think you would do right by a GSP and would be happy with your choice.
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11/19/2012 9:50 AM  
So, you have a lot of land, and are willing to let the dog run. You are willing to train as necessary... sounds like a great fit. The only thing to be aware of is rescuing, and your concerns about separation anxiety. I rescued my last GSP, and although we went on daily walks (Sophie RAN!), she still had separation anxiety issues that included eating her bedding (vet pulled 2.5lbs of bedding out of her stomach one time when she had been successfully hiding a hole in her bedding).

It is all manageable with a GSP, if you are willing to work with them. There temperament makes them highly trainable, but they do have an independent side that differentiates them from a more popular breed (like Retrievers). I think many people (on shorthairs.net particularly), would agree that a GSP is the best dog in the world, though :D

It is watching the dogs work that I thoroughly enjoy, and love. I could get by with just watching them work - if it weren't for all the training, and the joy they exhibit when they pick-up, and deilver to hand a bird that they pointed, and you shot. - Todd
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11/19/2012 10:05 AM  
With work, commitment, and patience you can have the dog you described, but it won't necessarily happen overnight. GSPs are great dogs and they love their people and so want to please you. I have four and would never have any other dog. I hike with all of mine off leash, but it took training on my part because I want a 100% recall with mine. I hike allot in CO and my dogs love the high country. As others have said when I hike 5 miles I figure they hike/run at least 4 times that distance and the altitude never bothers them. They also settle down and love to snuggle and watch movies too, so they are capable of going from on to off and everything in between. GSPs are great travelers. I travel with mine all the time and they just curl up in the backseat area of my truck in one big puppy pile and sleep the whole trip. I stop and make them go potty because I need the breaks. I pull a fifth wheel now because with 4 shorthairs it was getting harder and harder to find a hotel room. I prefer the fifth wheel better too. Good luck with your decision. Just remember with a rescue you may get someone else's problem and have to work through those issues with the dog. A puppy is like a blank canvas so you go through the puppy time, but on the other side your puppy is more like what you want. There are trade offs in going either way.

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11/19/2012 10:11 AM  
I think if you find the right breeder that has the temperament you are looking for and you follow it up with proper training you could easily find what you want in the GSP...

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11/19/2012 12:38 PM  
Just wanted to say that until I sold my horse (as I am moving countries) my 2 came out with me whilst I was riding. great exercise for them.

Trained off leash walking at heel before taking them out and only had them around the yard to start with. Then only across near by fields, then eventually was able to take them on the roads and across bridleways etc. They walked next to my horse, between the horse and the verge and ran ahead (did loops aroud me) when in open spaces.
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11/19/2012 5:04 PM  
Thanks, everyone, for your input and feedback. I really appreciate it. I am considering several dogs... all on "paper" for now, relying on descriptions from foster families. I have described what I am looking for to a couple of rescues. Here is what they have come up with:

One is a male GSP, 2-3 years old, and described as gentle, sweet, goofy, good with people, other dogs and cats, good in the house, no furniture surfing, etc. I saw a video of him playing with several small dachshunds and he was VERY gentle and did not bark once. He is still young, and was a stray, but seems smart and kind. He may take more time than I had planned on, since he is young, but that also means I could "mold" him a bit?

One is a female GSP, 8 years old, described as very gentle and obedient, well-trained, responsive and sweet, quiet at home and ready to go when it is play time. She had a good family who had to give her up due to an illness. She, unfortunately, is much farther away!

And the last is a whippet mix. Also described as sweet, quiet, and gentle. She is much smaller than the GSPs. Even farther away.

All are fostered. And one of the rescue organizations may allow me to test drive the first male GSP, with some mentoring, to see that we do well together.

Otherwise, I am most concerned about whether or not I am truly a dog person (I do not love all dogs, but really enjoy well-trained, respectful dogs). It is like deciding to have a child!
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11/19/2012 5:34 PM  
Well you are being honest with yourself which is good. I also love whippets and if the right one came along I would seriously consider one. My concern with whippets is that many of them are very nervous, but I know a few that are not like that and are sweet and wonderful pets. As for the three you have mentioned, I would suggest meeting them if you can. That goes a long way to figuring out the right fit. As for test driving that is also a good deal is it will also help you decide. In any case there is no perfect dog and each will have his own quirks and you will have to work to get to the dog you want. Remember too that that work is ongoing. Good luck in your search.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

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11/20/2012 6:59 AM  
that is great that they showed you video of the one playing that helps so much more than just getting verbal feedback and pictures... I know my 3 year male rarely barks... pizza guy, mail man can come kids friends come and go and he doesn't bark at all to alert us...even when he plays he rarely makes a sounds, sometimes when he is outside he will get a deep bark when playing... and he is my couch potato too very calm in the house unless the kids get him going lol!

So the best bet is to meet them and feel them out...

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11/20/2012 8:11 AM  
The questions you have can be asked of any dog of any breed.

You have hesitation of whether or not you are a dog person.
Not everyone is.
You have a horse, do you consider yourself a horse person?,
you probably are a dog person.

Turthfully, dogs and kids are a pain in the tush.
Now, now, don't eveyone jump on me.
They both require soooooo much care and attention.
Nothing like waking up to either of them throwing up at 3am,having to clean,care for and stay with them until they fall asleep.JOY.
Now, I AM A DOG AND KID PERSON!
I wouldn't give either up for a moment.
they are work!
Like we develop a child's personality and ethics, we do the same for a dog.

Right now -1 pain is in school and the other 3 (one human son) are in lala land.
I think it's time to become a pain in the tush to the human son -10am - it's time to wake up!






"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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11/20/2012 8:23 AM  
It is so true cuz if you are a dog person you are willing to deal with the yucky side and the dedication it takes to own a dog... dogs are almost worst than having kids... my kids can now clean up after themselves, go to the bathroom by themselves, feed themselves... for some reason the dogs can't do this lol!!!

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11/20/2012 8:53 AM  
Ah Pixie, so funny you use that analogy, as we awoke to B vomiting at 3 this morning. Afterward she was a magnet and just wanted to be held. From the looks of it, somebody had a pinecone snack.

When you are around people's dogs...do you want to pet them? Find yourself wishing you had a nice and good dog? Willing to put in daily work and give daily attention? I like dogs more than I like a lot of people so, I KNOW I'm a dog person lol
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11/20/2012 9:48 AM  
pixie - Thanks for the laugh this morning. I don't have kids, but I have my dogs and I am always comparing them to raising kids.

Smatulwicz - I too prefer my dogs to people. I am perfectly fine spending the day hanging out with my dogs.

I too am a total dog person. Couldn't live without at least one dog in my life.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

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11/20/2012 10:59 AM  

Texas Belle & Smatulwicz - I'm right there with you preferring my dogs to some people!  I actually have a bumper sticker on my car that reads "I love dogs... it's humans that annoy me" 
 

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11/20/2012 2:20 PM  
Yes dogs are a pain but they love us unconditionally and gsp's are just so darn smart! :) After Windsor peed last night inside for the first time in a year (he must have had to really go because he was excited that he got to go over Grandma's and see everyone), he got so busy he forgot to want to go outside. So this is at 7:30 p.m. as I was just heading to the couch to relax. At bedtime, I was in the bathroom brushing my teeth and Windsor then had the hiccups. He doesn't like it when he gets those and has this perplexed look of terror on his face. So we had to do a belly rub to get rid of those. Then trying to go to bed, Velvet stole his kennel (we leave their kennels open so they can go in and out - they both sleep in them) and Windsor decided to whine about that. He doesn't like to share his things with her. He is our big baby and she's pretty much the boss. First time I've owned this breed and sometimes I say out loud to them, "Why can't you two just be like normal DOGS". To me a dog meant lounging around the house, very calm. My dogs can get very hyper - even with exercise. They have a big yard to run in (that is now destroyed from them - no grass left out back) and they get daily walks. They also get plenty of play time in the house - mostly one upping eachother - who can steal the ball from who, there could be 10 antlers in the house and they both want the same one - stuff like that. The fun and games finally stop around 10 p.m. when they are finally pooped. But I love them and wouldn't think twice about not having them around. These dogs are smarter than some humans I know - love their curious personalities, they like routine, and they are pretty emotional when it comes to them wanting something :)
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11/20/2012 2:51 PM  
Six years into my 3rd adopted adult GSP, have had dogs since being a kid in the 50's & have been enjoying dog parks since their beginning. My impression of GSPs includes extraordinary energy until they're 7 or so. They love to get out & stretch their legs & need to like no other dog. They can be obsessive & if you don't direct that energy they can become very annoying, channeling all that energy in less happy ways. You often hear the phrase; A tired GSP is a happy GSP, as well as the description of being Hard Headed. Have heard a bored GSP may run away from home.

Worried about a dog being "clingy" many call the GSP a Velcro Dog. As for "anxious" a GSP will demand your attention. Kal stands in front of TV & stares at me, or pushes keyboard away under desk, so he can climb on my lap to twist my arm. When he knows it's time, he still goes bonkers, & will be 9 in January.

Am amazed at how true to the breed each GSP has been & yet how uniquely individualistic. Each has had their own traits/talents & all apparently became too much for previous owners to handle, hence the adoptions. Kal was too much for 3 previous owners to handle. Chip was too much for 2 previous owners. Auzzie got abandoned w/grandparents b/c he was way too much for the grandkids.

Sorry, but I would not recommend raising a GSP for folks who "live in a condo". If you pick a high energy GSP pup, during the 2-7 year span it can be on fire. If you want "mellow" adopt an 8 year old GSP.
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11/20/2012 2:59 PM  
I still think a GSP can be perfectly fine in a condo with adequate and appropriate exercise (that is key here). During the day when we are not home, ours ultimately only has free range of the main portion of the house which is probably smaller than most condos. As of recently, we have gotten less adamant about closing off rooms, and she doesn't even venture into them. She sleeps in just about the same spot all day (back of the couch, with view out the largest window in the house). The only problem I would say, however, with condo or apt living would be if you were located on a second floor with someone living underneath you. If you have read through some threads on here you have probably read about "zoomies". If a bout of Zoomies hits and you have someone living underneath you...they won't be at all thrilled with you :) Or, just play in general with any larger breed. I can be seen, I'm sure, through my windows running circles around my main living rooms (what must look nuts to the neighbors). What they can't see is Bella running in front of me...around the kitchen table, around the coffee table, in our figure 8 we go :)

Bella and I recently stayed in a hotel (her first time) and specifically requested a first floor room.
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11/20/2012 8:33 PM  
Zoe is my first GSP. I had a pug before her that lived to be 16. I did a lot of research on several breeds before deciding on a GSP. My vet even suggested to me that a GSP would be a good choice. Everyone says how active they are and until you own one you don't realize how active they really are. I have to admit the first couple of months were not easy. After a year and a half I wouldn't have any other breed. We started her training early and we still go to an obedience class every week. We also go to agility classes and recently started Flyball class. She also has been going to puppy daycare since she was 4 months. I think one of my favorite things about them is how they love to cuddle and how funny they can be. Not a day goes by without Zoe making me smile. All the hard work you put into them is well worth it.
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