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11/03/2012 2:10 PM  

Hello- My husband has recently expressed some interest in German Shorthaired Pointers and has started doing some research about them. I have read that GSP's are high energy- how high energy?? Would our current walking regime be enough? What can you tell me about an "average" temperament for one of these dogs? I assume that they would "in general" be easier to train than a hound? How sensitive are they? How easy are they to train to the lead? As a pointing breed, would they get frustrated if the other dog they were walking with regularly flushed the birds they might point? In general, what would you love to let someone know who's interested in the breed but hasn't ever had a pointer before? We've had beagles, and my hubby grew up with a shepherd/collie mix as well as a few other herding type dogs, and I had a cocker and a herding/bully breed mix as a child/teenager.


A little information about us- We recently lost our beloved beagle, and likely won't be quite ready to add a 2nd dog (we still have his "little brother" Jackson, a beagle/basset mix, a little over a year old, neutered) for a little while unless absolutely the perfect dog comes across our path, but I thought that it wouldn't be a bad idea to get a little information on the breed. So, mostly a fact finding mission for now! We live in our own detatched home, with a fenced backyard, however the yard is not terribly large. We spend a lot of time walking the dog down in the provincial park that is nearby. (usually at least and hour to an hour and a half on work days, and sometimes up to 3 hours on weekends when the weather is nice) Jackson loves to flush the pheasants down there. He does it perfectly, even though we have never trained him to it! We are not a hunting family, or at least not yet. But my husband would be interested in learning to hunt upland birds at some point. We do both work full time, so we don't think that another puppy would be ideal for us at this time, as we don't feel it's fair to make a pup try to "hold it" for 8 hours plus- it was bad enough with Jackson when we got him at 8 months! He never had an accident due to waiting too long, but we felt bad making him wait, with his little puppy bladder. An older dog, out of the "puppy" and "teenage rebellion" stages would be the preference, I think. We don't have children, although we hope to have them someday, and there are a lot of children in our neighborhood. We do spoil our dog a little- he is something of a surrogate child at this point, and gets lots of love and affection when we are home. (not to the exclusion of rules and boundaries, though)

Thank you for your time and any information you wish to share!
 

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11/03/2012 3:12 PM  
Hey KR! Assuming you are a fellow Canadian because of your name.

I think a GSP would probably fit well into your lifestyle. There are many GSP and Beagle owners out there, so don't think the two breeds would have a problem with each other. Of course much will depend on the personality of the dogs.

There are many, many rescues out there, even in Canada. If you are interested in pursuing this, I can provide some information on rescues depending on where in the country you are located.

Joce and Rich
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11/03/2012 5:18 PM  
Thank you! As I mentioned on the other thread I started, my biggest concern is not wanting a 60 lb ball of pent up energy flying around my house 24/7. With Jackson, I have done some beginning agility training, and other "mental stimulation" games to help him drain some of his puppy energy. He can be a 25 lb balll of pent up energy if I'm not careful, particularly after a bath!

Yes, I am from Canada- Alberta, in particular, and we may take you up on the offer of more info on rescues when we are ready. We only lost Austin, our first beagle, about a month ago, so we don't want to bring in another dog until we feel that we're not trying to "replace" him.
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11/03/2012 5:42 PM  
Well ours are lazy all day when we are at work and then at night we have a two easily 60 lbs nutjobs gone wild. So loveable though and very smart. They LOVE attention. To me it's like having toddlers all over again. They get walked mostly every day and we have the back yard fenced in and they run a lot all day because someone lets them out while we are at work but they are pretty energetic. Both seem to pass out cold by 9 p.m. and sleep all night.
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11/04/2012 5:14 AM  
Understood. Sorry for the loss of Austin. I can understand how you don't want to rush into getting another dog at this time.

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11/04/2012 6:58 AM  
I can talk all day about the virtures of the breed.

But, what you really need to know is that it's not a breed as a whole you need to be as concerned with, you need to be more concerned with the individual dog.

This is where research comes in.
Temperment is THE most important aspect of a dog.
Difficult to tell as a puppy. This is why buyers need to research.







"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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11/04/2012 11:52 AM  

I agree with pixie. There are some shorthair lines that are full of energy and others less so. Also individual dogs in a litter differ too. The challenge is you want an older dog and usually that means going to rescue, so find a good rescue group that does a good evaluation of their dogs and works hard to match up the right owner with the right dog.

as a rule the girls mature and calm down around 4 and the boys around 5. That is not absolute though as I have a male who is almost 5 and he still thinks he is a puppy.


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11/05/2012 3:33 PM  
"There are some shorthair lines that are full of energy and others less so."
 
Ok- so say we did decide to find a way to make a puppy work, or wanted to try to find a "started" dog, or a breeder's retiree, how would we begin doing the reasearch needed to find one of these lines that is typically a little lower energy? I've never actually done the "puppy" thing- every dog I've ever had has been a rescue, (6 mo or older) so I don't really know how it all works, in terms of finding a breeder, etc.
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11/05/2012 3:50 PM  
I would start by finding breeders in my area. Use Google, get recommendations from this site, look on the GSPCA website, etc. the more you talk to people the more you will learn. If you want widen the search beyond your area ask. You can also look for regional and local clubs. There is also a pretty decent website called gundogbreeders.com. That at least will get you started. Once you find some breeders then again post questions.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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11/05/2012 5:19 PM  
Hi I have a 7 yearold that is still puppy acting. He plays ruff outside but is good in the house . I also have a 3 year old female who keeps him playing tag around the pine trees . Spoilling is a must with a gsp. They add so much life to your family. . Take your time and do checking . Go to some dog shows or field events to get a first hand look .(Been far east)
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11/05/2012 5:46 PM  

Are you wanting a very active breed and just worried about how they will be in the house? You seem very concerned with their energy levels, perhaps a different breed would ease your mind a little? I don't mean to sound harsh at all, but from your posts it does come across that is your main concern. I will say, to ease your mind, I do think you are too worried about that. Especially if you are considering getting a puppy now, it is going to adapt to the lifestyle you give it. If your dog has adequate exercise and mental stimulation, it is going to be just fine in the house. They are prone to zoomies here and there, but zoomies inside if not desired can be stopped quickly (zoomies = GSP typical random bursts of energy). We, personally, adore zoomies, and usually join in on them lol.

As Texas Belle mentioned, start looking at breeders. If you see people out with a GSP, don't be afraid to ask them where they got theirs. Once you find a breeder, before you commit to any puppy you can ask about the personalities of the parents - temperament, activity level (for you, ability to "shut off" indoors), hunting instincts...etc. And go from there. Also, if going the puppy route, be prepared for some sleepless nights and some frustrating accidents. It's just part of it...you have to bare with them, they are babies. These dogs are very smart, though, and ours learned absurdly quickly on just about everything. It often gave me unrealistic expectations of her that I had to remind myself not to uphold, as she was just a wee thing yet.

Watching Bella as an outsider, most people are in awe. The majority of the dogs at the dog park hang pretty close to their people and stay on the side walk...but mine is bounding about like a gazelle leaping over this, darting through that, all with an absurd goofy smile on her face. People look at me and say "boy, I don't know how you manage that kind of energy". What they don't see is very calm, sweet, well mannered and relaxed dog in the home, in the car, and on indoor outings. Probably more so than many of their other types of breeds. I couldn't be happier with our choice. Just make sure it feels right to you. If so, you're not going to regret it!

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11/05/2012 6:24 PM  
You're right- I am a little anxious about the energy levels. I think a lot of the nervousness about high energy levels stems from some of the dogs I had growing up. Don't get me wrong, I loved them, but they were perhaps not the best breed selections for my family at the time, and so developed some behavioural issues due to not getting enough exercise or mental stimulation. I guess I feel a little guilty, even though at the time, I really didn't know better. In my adult life, my husband and I have striven to do our absolute best for our dogs, and I would hate to be one of those statistics that ends up having to re-home a dog because I hadn't done my research first. My husband would actually like to be able to walk the dog as much as we walked our first beagle until he finally started refusing walks because he was just too tired. That was often about 3-4 hours daily. (split into 3 separate walks, of course) And Jackson is a playful guy, I'm sure a few games of chase around the yard would happen, too. (He gets what you call zoomies, too, I think- we call it the basset 500 or the post bath beagle frenzy, where he tears around wherever he can get at full tilt, which is pretty fast for someone with such short legs) He has actually excelled at agility, if you'll believe it! Not typical for a hound, but I had to do something to keep him busy!
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11/05/2012 6:58 PM  
I think with you wanted to do right by your dog, doing your research, and wanting to get the best fit you in and of itself means you're going to give any dog a great home. Bella is spoiled with a trail system accessible from our neighborhood where we can do offlead hikes (I walk say, 5 miles, which means she runs about 10+ lol). But, some days...all I have the energy to offer her after work is frisbee in the yard. She loves this, and is content with it and just monitoring whatever we are up to that evening. I really do think you would love the breed.
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11/06/2012 8:06 AM  
Since you are not looking for a puppy, a good way to evaluate the energy level is to take a GSP for a 15 minute walk,play some fetch and then sit down for a 15 minute rest.
Have the dog enter your car and go for a ride around,park and leave the dog in the car,walk away so he can't see you and observe him for 10 minutes.

How a dog handles these situtions will give you a good idea if you want to live with this dog.
Keep in mind your training strengths and weaknesses,what your frustration limits are
and are you wiling to deal with possible noise/separation anxiety issues?




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11/06/2012 10:16 AM  
Not read all the replies (some of them) but thought i'd say......yes, they have alot of energy but in my experience it's energy of the moment. Leos (and Baira used to) will run for hours and hours, miles and miles, but once in the house settles nicely. Mine are exercised every day from 1 to 3 hours but occassionally I will have to miss a day. They settle the same in the house whether they've had 3 hours exercise or none at all. So, yes they need exercising and will run all day if given the change but don't start using the house as a running track if you have to miss a day (or two). Leos has been known to sleep AAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLL day sometimes.
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11/06/2012 11:36 AM  

 KRcanuck -  There is a young male (15 months) that a breeder is trying to place. The breeder is located in PA.  You might want to start your search and questions with this breeder.  Diadem GSPs.  Here is a link to the website: www.diademgsp.com/index.html

The dog is not listed on the website, but I got an email today from them.  The breeders name is Sandra and you can contact her through her website or this email 4Diadem@comcast.net.  

My understanding is this is a nice male, but the current owners were not a right fit and they are returning him to the breeder.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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11/06/2012 3:36 PM  

There are also a couple older dogs in rescue right now. If you are on Facebook, The German Shorthaired Pointer Club of Canada usually has listings for rescues:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/German-Shorthaired-Pointer-Club-of-Canada/188257314550069

I can also put you in touch with some rescue people who may have connections out west.


Joce and Rich
Bogart and Shiraz (GSPs)
Roxane (RIP: 1995-2009) and Tiger Lily (Cats)
The Everbell Adventures
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11/07/2012 3:42 PM  

KR - What about the second dog located in Squamish who needs a home?

http://www.pointingdogrescuecanada.com/dogsavailable.html


Joce and Rich
Bogart and Shiraz (GSPs)
Roxane (RIP: 1995-2009) and Tiger Lily (Cats)
The Everbell Adventures
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11/07/2012 7:00 PM  
I saw Oakley, but it says that she doesn't like/play well with smaller dogs, and Jackson is only about 25-30 lbs. I have actually contacted the pointing rescue canada folks for some info, and they suggested that a good next step for us would be to try to connect with one of the local (reputable) breeders to meet some of their dogs and get more of a feel for the breed. They sound super!!
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11/07/2012 7:00 PM  
I saw Oakley, but it says that she doesn't like/play well with smaller dogs, and Jackson is only about 25-30 lbs. I have actually contacted the pointing rescue canada folks for some info, and they suggested that a good next step for us would be to try to connect with one of the local (reputable) breeders to meet some of their dogs and get more of a feel for the breed. They sound super!!
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