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10/31/2012 6:24 PM  

Happy Halloween everyone!

We need help with Stella's whining/crying. Since we brought her home at 8weeks old we have set our alarms for 5:30am every morning. Now at 8 months old Stella has been whining and crying the moment out alarm goes off in the morning. This has been happening for about 4-5 months. Our dog trainer suggested we let her cry and eventually she will stop. Yeah, no - that didn't work. She would cry for 45+ mins before we finally had to get up and start getting ready for work. Then he suggested we get up and go about our business without acknowledging her or taking her out of her crate. So, we now just get up and start breakfast, coffee, etc. She stops crying the moment she sees us and will not make another peep despite still being in her crate. When she whines we have tried telling her "no", making a diversion (noise, etc) and using an e-collar. We actually used the e-collar when she was barking in the morning and that stopped within 2 days. But for the whining it has not made a difference, so we stopped. It isn't fair to shock her if she doesn't know how to fix it. Stella sleeps in her crate in the living room. We do not give her any bed or blankets because she is chews them. I have heard placing a sheet over the crate to give it a den feel, but she pulls the sheet inside the crate with her. So, that doesn't work. Unfortunately, her crate is too big for our bedroom. I definitely feel it is seperation anxiety because if we do not  come out within a few mins of the alarm going off she will start scratching the bottom of her crate. I am not sure if this is just a phase or something that will last forever. She is going through a defiant stage right now - challenging us on everything, but we are trying to stand our ground and be strong.

We thought that if we ignored her that she would get the idea that the whining isn't getting her any benefit - but she still continues. I would love for her to be able to sleep in a bed out of the crate, but she isn't ready for that quite yet. Hopefully by 12 months we can explore that option. She does like her crate - she goes in without any issue and we can place her in there randomly without making a peep.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

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10/31/2012 6:26 PM  

Oh, and we increased her exercise. We will heel her (without a leash) down to the open field and play fetch for about 30-45 minutes followed by a 1 or 2 mile walk. We also tried putting her in doggy day care hoping it would wear her out enough that she wouldn't cry in the morning, but that didn't make a difference either.

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10/31/2012 6:33 PM  
Ignoring the crying, but rewarding the quiet will eventually work, but it is harder to teach a dog to be quiet. I suggest buying some ear plugs which is what someone suggested in another thread.

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10/31/2012 7:14 PM  

I think she is too young for an ecollar and I would not use it for whining. You are going to have to wait her out. She has associated the alarm with you getting up. Do not know many who would not.  Persistence will pay off. As texasbelle said Get some earplugs. 

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11/01/2012 6:51 AM  
yeah the only advice is to ignore the whining and reward the quiet...

However if you are thinking of in the future letting her sleep out of the crate at night you could try this... since the crate is too big for the bedroom... put a doggie bed next to your bed and have her sleep on that, so that she stays put put a leash on her and slip the loop at the end around your arm... or if you are sensitive to sound you can put a bell on her collar and that way if she gets up at night the bell will jingle and wake you up...

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11/01/2012 8:11 AM  
Why not set the alarm for when you actually want to get up? ;)

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11/01/2012 2:20 PM  
Our puppy used to do this so we would purposely wait until she quieted before we got her out. It has worked even though the whole house was up early listening to her for a few days!

The trainer where we bought her told me to kick her crate and say "NO" when she whined and we only did that once before she got the idea on a particularly loud day.

Oh, and we do cover her crate but tuck the ends under the crate so she can't pull it in. Ours will not settle down in the crate unless she has something "cuddly" like a fleece blanket. I just get cheap ones and throw them out once they're too chewed up.
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11/01/2012 2:58 PM  
As a puppy she will naturally cry to be let out.
Why don't you let her out?
Try having her be quiet for a few seconds and heeling her out to another area.
Gradually extend the amount of time she needs to be quiet to be heeled off.

Can you close the door to your bedroom and let her sleep out of the crate?




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11/01/2012 2:59 PM  
and by the way -
that trainer that told you to kick the crate -
sounds kinda like a low life to me.
If this is his training methods you may want to seek out a more qualified trainer
just saying.


"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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11/01/2012 3:14 PM  
Thank you all for the tips. We actually get up at 530am every morning - I only waited her out bc I have read that you should wait until they stop crying to let them out.

We will try tucking in the sheet and see if that makes a difference. I may try letting her sleep out of the crate one weekend night and see how it goes. You never know - she may be better that way!
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11/01/2012 3:43 PM  
Well, if you are up then I would ask her to sit and then let her out after I open the door and release her. Since you have a wire crate, if she gets up to leave the crate when you open the door just close the door in her face and have her sit and stay again. It doesn't take too long for them to figure out the to get out they have to do what you are asking. As for sleeping outside the crate at 8 mons she will probably do fine. I would close your bedroom door so she can't wander through the house.

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11/01/2012 4:02 PM  
I agree - ask for a sit and she has to stay seated until you open the crate.

Glad you stopped the ecollar - I have nothing against them but don't see them as a behavior stopper so to speak - they should reinforce something they already know - but that is a different discussion...........

She might also do better sleeping next to the bed

Bugsy has always been a whiner (he rarely barks but whenever he gets excited he whines, sigh) and we did the wait until he stopped thing - the key was to open the door immediately once there was quiet - he got the message very quickly.
He is a very early starter and goodness knows what time he actually wakes up but now he knows to just stay on his bed until one of us gets up. Then he springs into insanity er I mean action :)
Be patient - try the suggestions mentioned, I am sure she'll get it!

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