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10/23/2012 2:28 PM  

 Hi everyone, I have a male GSP intact, he will be 2 years old at the end of January. Recently we have been experiencing a serious issue with him and aggression towards strangers and I am looking for others advice on ways to fix this behaviour. 

He is not aggressive to all strangers, on leashed walks we can pass strangers without any problems. He doesn't have problems with having strangers inside the house during parties or get togethers or when friends come to visit. He will bark when the door rings but settles down after he gets a sniff. He will however act up if these strangers get their faces too close to his (bending over towards his face etc)...

The behaviour we are concerned about is during our nature walks, we let him run off leash. It's usually isolated forest area but occasionally we will have passersby, and this usually is when he begins to act up. He will start to growl and bark at them from a distance and the last time we took him out, he lunged at a non threatening stranger. This is the first time he has ever done this, and we are trying to figure out where this behaviour is coming from since he has never done this before... When he acts up, we correct him, tell him NO, BAD DOG and make him do a sit/stay for a few mins. 

We are quite upset at this, and wondering what can be done to help fix this behaviour before it gets any worse. We will obviously have to keep him leashed on these walks for now until he is better. Would getting him neutered help? Any advice is appreciated

Thanks


- Michaela
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10/23/2012 7:16 PM  
Have you noticed any other changes? Have there been changes in his routine? Has he had any bad experiences recently? Any thing different you can think of? Has he had any physical issues? Maybe vision or hearing problems? Is there anything in common or the same about the individuals he reacts to? Is it only in one area where he reacts? Play detective and see if you can figure out why he reacts. Put yourself in the dogs position and think about what he I seeing and hearing when he reacts. That may give you clues about what is going on.

I would also take him to the vet and rule out any medical issues. If it is not medical, then I would start working obedience with him and keep him on leash until you have solid obedience in the basics with him. That would include sits, downs, stays, recalls, and walking on a loose leash. Also, if there is a common denominator in his reactions you can also start working with him on whatever he is reactive to. For instance, a lot of dogs react to hats, sunglasses, people in dark cloths, etc.

As for neutering it may help mature the dog and calm him down, but the neutering won't fix the problem. Good luck in figuring out the trigger. Once you figure that out you might want to post as I am sure folks would have suggestions on correcting the issue.


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10/23/2012 7:36 PM  
Well we have been struggling with a skin issue with him for the past year that we can't figure out. Blood tests are too expensive of an option for us right now to figure it out. I did read something about how dogs will instinctively protect themselves if they know they are not up to par on health?

He is pretty good with basic commands already, and he managed to learn "play dead" in less than a week so he's obviously pretty smart. We just need to figure out how to correct this behavior effectively.

I will definitely look for those triggers the next time we are out, but for the most part it just seems like any and all strangers, and sometimes small children which is really scary. We just find it strange since he has been around all kinds of people and children growing up and just now it's becoming an issue...

Thanks so much for the advice

- Michaela
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10/23/2012 8:52 PM  
The skin issue may be related to an allergy. What do you feed him? You might try grain free or even just a different food. My girl is allergic to beef and it shows up as skin issues. Once I figured it out we got it cleared up fast. The vets never did figure it out.

The aggression may also be a stage. I would keep him on leash and when a stranger approaches before he can react have him sit and focus on you. Praise him when he does good. You can even talk to the strangers, but make him stay sitting. Just reward the behavior you want. Redirect his focus and you should be able get this under control. I would not let strangers approach him for now, and especially kids. He may feel the need to protect you and getting him working and letting him know you are in control should resolve this.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

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10/24/2012 5:23 AM  
Not an expert, my opinion is he has insecurity issues, this is an age where hormones surge and "upset" the balance, he feels threatened and the need to protect.
This won't just go away as he ages.
It is possible signs of this were there all along, no one recognized them.
Your best answers will come from the breeder. I bet the mother has these issues.
This type of behavior is usually genetic based and established in the whelping box.
Diagnosing on the internet is sketchy, at best.
A way to manage this behavior is as texas belle suggested, obedience-sit,stay(whoa),down,here,heel,not allowing him to pull or walk in front while on lead,. Not as a punishment but as a way of life. See how he is doing during feeding times - can a non family member touch his food bowl while he's eating?


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10/24/2012 1:31 PM  
pixie it may be genetic, but it could also be environmental, something that has happened to the dog to trigger an aggressive reaction. I had that happen to Ringo when he was a pup. He was attacked by a large light colored male dog and after that every time Ringo saw a large white male dog he was ready to do battle first. Took me almost 2 years to work through that issue. That is why I suggested thinking through the scenario. It would also be good to think about past behavior too as there may have been indicators of a genetic issue and asking the breeder is always a good idea. So, good suggestions. The main thing is to try to figure out what is triggering the problem and address it as it is easier to deal with if you know the trigger.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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10/24/2012 3:47 PM  

We can't change genetics or the past, but we can change current behavior. Strict obedience and being preemtive is key. Some of the techniques in the book "Aggression in Dogs" by Brenda Aloff may help.

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10/30/2012 8:43 PM  
Thanks for the input everyone. I forgot to mention that he is not a bother to strangers when we take him to dog parks... Only time we have seen this aggression to strangers was during nature walks, not sure what could be setting him off at this point.

- Michaela
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10/31/2012 3:03 PM  

My older gsp at about the age of 2 started showing some aggressive behavior.  I finally figured it out if it was just someone walking alone, and she also thought it was strange to see children playing on the ground.  At times it was scarry how she reacted.  But you will be glad to know she is the perfect dog now.  Don't worry about her, except if you were to walk into my house uninvited.

I went back to keeping her on a long lead and what a pain that was keeping it from being tangled, but ultimately it was worth it.  Worked on giving her a little freedom and when we would see someone walking alone, I would call her to me.  If she did not come, she got a tug (she was on a prong collar) and I don't mean I jerked it hard, but there was a slight correction.  I always had cookies on me and she was rewarded.  I wanted her to know what behavior I wanted before introducing a ecollar to really enforce it.  Then I advanced to letting her off lead but she was wearing an ecollar (she was already conditioned for this, but not used for this purpose).  She attempted to disobey my come command probably 3 times, only once did she really make any big effort to charge someone.  It is funny to think back about it, but at the time not so much as the other person, obviously a stranger to us, was afraid of dogs.  I had to apologize, but it never got that far again. 

What this did do is now she just pretty much ignores everyone.  So she is not the one to run up to anyone to be petted, she will not avoid it, but she does not search it out, unless of course you have food.

Good luck . . . in my case it was insecurity and I think somewhat her wanting to protect not just herself, but  me as well.  She got over it.  She has been my jogging partner ever since and she is now almost 9.  People comment how well she listens.

Roz.

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11/04/2012 9:59 AM  
Just an update, we took him to the dog park yesterday and he did not bother anyone at all. He had a blast playing with the other dogs. He's not the type of dog to go up to strangers to be petted, and will avoid a pat on the head from a stranger, but he did not once get aggressive to anyone. So it makes me all the more curious what it is about walks by the river that puts him on edge and leads him to feel the need to growl and snap at people???

- Michaela
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11/04/2012 12:30 PM  
It may be simply that he is on leash which removes his ability for flight leaving him only one option of fight. I am betting this dog is insecure based on your descriptions of his behavior both on and off leash. So you need to work on building up his confidence around strangers both human and dogs. I would start by taking him to an obedience class. If you can find somewhere to train agility that also is a good way to build confidence for the dog and it is fun too.

When you are walking him on leash anticipate the encounters and make him sit and focus on you. Be confident because if you are nervous the dog will pick up on it and become even more insecure. I would also highly recommend you get the book, Aggression in Dogs, by Brenda Aloff. I think you will find lots of helpful information and things you can do to help your situation.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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11/04/2012 2:23 PM  
This behavior has only been exhibited while off leash during walks in the forest/along the river, but off leash at dog parks he is not a bother to anyone. On leash he is totally fine walking by strangers without even flinching. But yes he does seem to be a little insecure when it comes to strangers. The funny thing is that if a stranger has experience in handling dogs, he has no problem with them either. I had someone I know, but he didn't, give him commands and he didn't put up a fight and listened very well.

I am mostly confident when it comes to having him around new people. My father on the other hand is more of the worrier and I am working on teaching him the importance of not getting so anxious because it will rub off on the dog. It's a work in progress, I appreciate everyone's feedback :)

- Michaela
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11/04/2012 3:08 PM  
Michaela - Get the book I recommend and read it. I think it will help you with your situation. If nothing else it will get you thinking and give you things to try. I am sure you can work through this, but you need to understand what is motivating the behavior. Good luck!

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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11/04/2012 10:29 PM  
Even I get spooked from strangers out of nowhere during nature walks, it is not what I am expecting.

Is he far out from you on these walks, are you in his sight? Is he the first one to greet the stranger on these walks?

I second the book suggestion, I have read it, and many of the techniques have helped us tremendously.
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11/08/2012 2:44 PM  
Rose, on the walks for the most part he stays where we can see him but sometimes he will get ahead of us where we can't see him and that is when we call him back and he comes. We don't allow him to greet strangers first because of how he reacts. It almost seems like he reacts to those who are afraid of dogs, and who show obvious signs of being afraid of him, but will submit to those who know how to handle dogs.

- Michaela
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