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gadawgsfan
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| 10/18/2012 9:43 PM |
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We have had a horrible two weeks with our new puppy willow. She is such a bundle of joy and has really made us laugh alot, except when it comes time for the kennel, we have tried several different tactics to no avail. I know believe she thinks it is a form of punishment. I did expect her to be a little hesitant at first. We can be outside most of the day doing some really short training sessions and mostly playing and letting her be a puppy, she will try to fall asleep while we are outside.we will have to leave and put her in the kennel and she will cry and whine, at night its the same way, she will do it at night for an hour or so. She loves the treats we give her while we are training,I have tried to use those same treats for the kennel and when I return the treat is still in there she does not even touch it.Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated, we are willing to try anything to make this work
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 10/18/2012 10:13 PM |
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Where is her kennel? What type of kennel is it? My recommendation is to make the kennel like a den. So, cover the kennel and put some blankets in so she can arrange them the way she wants them. I would also put the kennel in your bedroom. When you put her in it leave a radio on, turn the lights out and also make sure there is something in the kennel that smells of you. T-shirts are great. You might also put a stuffed toy in there that she can snuggle with. There is a stuffed dog that has a ticking heart that is made specially for this, but I have found that the stuffed toys work well too. You can also let her fall asleep with you and then move her to the kennel. I also keep the kennel right next to the bed when they are little so I can reach in and pet them when they get restless at night. Also never ever take her out when she is crying wait until she is quiet for a few seconds and then take her out. You can also try feeding her in the crate to help her relate good things with the crate. Also when you put her in don't talk to her, just put her in. If she starts crying don't sympathize with het. And don't rush to take her out when you get home. Get a routine going to. Puppies love routines. A good crate training resource is a video called Crate Games. You should be able to ind it at Dogwise.com. |
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gadawgsfan
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| 10/18/2012 10:31 PM |
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Thank you for the reply,It is a metal caged kennel we do have it covered,have tried lights on and off, tried music,blankets and t-shirts all she did was potty on them.it is not in our bedroom,I am a extremely light sleeper and the slightest noise wakes me up and i only get 5 to 6 hours sleep at best every night anyway but i guess we can try that,cause at this point like i said we are ready to try anything. i will also look fro that video to try. also the kennel we have is a large size for her to have for down the road as she grows, but we have used the divider to decrease the size, it is now at the point of where she can barley move around much at all so I feel bad about that but we are having to give her a bath almost daily to wash the pee off of her and ocassional poop. the way our schedules are the longest that she is ever in there is about 3 hours tops. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 10/18/2012 11:36 PM |
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At her age which I am guessing is about 10 weeks, she probably can't hold it much beyond a couple of hours. So make sure she potties right before she goes to bed. If she cries at night and it has been a couple of hours she probably needs to go potty. So, I wouldn't make a big deal out of it, but would pick her up out of the crate and take her out. Once she has done her business, pick her up and put her back to bed. You might also want to try a hot water bottle wrapped in a towel that she can snuggle up with. I usually put my new puppies on my stomach and lay on my bed with the light off and gently pet them. Once they fall asleep, I quietly put them in the crate. If they seem restless I put my hand on them. Just don't say anything. Also, if the pup gets restless at night I often will pick them up out of the crate and snuggle with them in bed until they fall asleep, then put them back in the crate. Remember she is just a baby and has been used to her mom ad siblings being there and now they are gone. It should help allot if she knows you are right there. I always start mine in a soft sided crate because they are open at the top. Makes it easy to reach in and touch them. I also use the regular size crate and have never cut the size down, but I do put allot of blankets and stuffed toys in the crate. Often when they know you are right there, they settle down very quickly. Also, this phase will end pretty quickly. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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gsplover Houston, Tx.
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| 10/19/2012 2:40 AM |
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Hi. Congrats on your new puppy! I had the same issue with our Chocolate Lab pup for several weeks actually. We tried a small crate, and kept it in our bed between us. When she would cry, we would put our fingers inside the crate, but we didn't talk to her. Also, I agree with Texas Belle, NEVER take her out while she is crying. This reinforces the behavior. Wait till she is quiet.
What FINALLY worked, after weeks of nothing else working.... We began taking Abby out for DAILY runs of outdoor fetch in lakes, fields, etc. on long check cords. She LOVED this activity! We actually DROVE to these daily activities, and each time we would put her in her crate in the back of the pickup truck. She would cry everytime we put her in, but soon, like within 3 or 4 days, she began to associate the crate with FUN TIMES! The car trip in the crate was only 5 minutes away, and then 10, and then 20. Once we got to the 20 minute drive, she was CURED!
The sleep...unfortunately, with a young pup, it's sort of like having a baby all over again! Take turns letting her out of the crate, but she may be crying because she doesn't want to potty in her bed. The time you spend now will save you loads of time later on when she figures out "potty outside!" "Crate=sleeptime!" It will take time, but your consistency will pay off! Hang in there, they grow fast! Try the short car trips and the fun games, but the car trips must be in a crate! If she is driven to fetch or hunt for birds or butterflies, the crate will be a means to her reward! |
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"He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion." -- Unknown |
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DLord Holly Springs, NC
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| 10/19/2012 7:14 AM |
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I actually had 2 kennels for Zoe as a pup. One, which was a cage, was set up in the kitchen and the other one, a closed in travel carrier, was in my bedroom. The first few days I tried to keep her in her kennel at night in the kitchen and she would just cry, so I moved her to the kennel in my bedroom and that worked out just fine. Of course she would whimper for a few minutes but then she would settle down.
The first week I brought her home, I took the week off so we could both adjust. During the day, anytime I saw her getting tired I would pick her up and put her in her little dog bed that was in her kennel in the kitchen and leave the door open. I always left the door open when I was home and she caught on really quickly to this and would go on her own and lie down on her bed (and still does @ 20 months).
Since I work full time and did not have the opportunity to come home, I had one of the neighbor kids let her out after school. I knew this would be a long time for her to hold it so I did not divide her kennel and in the back part of her kennel I took an old cookie sheet and lined it with a pee-pee pad in case she had to go. She would wet the pad but never any poops.
Also, I bought her a stuffed animal and this bean bag type toy that that has a little bag filled with corn husks that you can take out and microwave. I would heat it every night and put it in her kennel with her to sleep.
http://www.petstages.com/dogs-soothing-menu.php
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therozypozy
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| 10/19/2012 9:37 AM |
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I also had more than one kennel. I had one in the kitchen, one in the bedroom and the other in the living room. My puppy Java did not particularly care for the crate at first. The suggestion from TexasBelle is right on the Crate Games video. If you don't want to buy it, just go on youtube and look for videos. Lots of people have their videos up on that technique. It helps you teach the dog to love to go in the crate an that is a great start. Even at age two I practice those games with her. She loves it.
The one in the kitchen was always used a feeding time and the door remained open. The one in the living room is where she would get her chew while we settled for the evening and watch a little tv. But the one in the bedroom, I will admit that I did not last long with her in the crate at night . . . she is spoiled and on the bed. But for the first year of her life she was crated while I went off to work. At that time she got the special treat of a Kong filled with goodies. She was more than happy to run in the crate . . . letting me leave without any guilty feelings of a dog whining.
Hang in there. |
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gadawgsfan
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| 10/19/2012 5:49 PM |
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Thank you all for the replies and suggestions, i guess we will be on the hut for supplies and crates this weekend.
It is so hard to get frustrated with her since I know she is young and she really cracks us up at times,
I would love to post some pics of her but have not figured it out yet.
Thanks once again
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 10/19/2012 6:04 PM |
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| Check out the sticky post at the top of the General Discussion section. That should help you in posting photos. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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gadawgsfan
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| 10/19/2012 6:49 PM |
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thanks texas belle, I have a question for you also about the crate games. After reading a little about this dvd,yet without seeing it, from what i understand it really gets them excited. will that be defeating the purpose I am after in trying to get her to realx and consider that her safe place and a place to relax and sleep? I saw a clip of it and the dogs were flying in and out of the crate with high intensity so that is the reason for me asking |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 10/19/2012 7:05 PM |
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| No, it actually gets them to really love the crate. Mine still love their crates and settle right down when I put them in the crate. I also never hear a peep out of them. I go to shows allot and am always putting mine in and out of crates. It is their safe spot even in the chaos of a show site. You can get them to love the crate without crate games. I just start mine out from the get go in a crate. I always use a word like kennel when I put them in, and make sure they have positive associations with the crate. One of the reasons I put the crate next to my bed when they are babies is it helps that association. With my last litter, I had a crate for the pups in the wheel ping are starting from about 3 weeks on. I also had baby blankets in the crate that I sent home with each puppy to help with the transition to their new home. Not all breeders do that, but you can still work with the new pup in making the crate a safe place by adding in things that smell like you, things to snuggle with and then making sure they they re happy in the crate. Lots of rewards help, feeding in the crate and playing games that involve the crate all help. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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gadawgsfan
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| 10/19/2012 7:15 PM |
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ok good. she will hopefully be a family pet first then my hunting companion second. since this is my first puppy and first hunting companion I just want to make sure I am doing as much the correct way as I can for her. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 10/19/2012 8:05 PM |
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| I am guessing you are from GA and if so you have a great field trainer in you area if you are interested. She is also on this forum. Her name on here is Snap so just post or look her up and send her a message. I am sure she would work with you on the field training. Also, a good training method for someone who is wanting to hunt and has never trained before is Perfect Start and Perfect Finish. They are done by Perfection Kennel and you can buy the DVDs from them. They aren't cheap, but worth it. Most GSP owners that do field work are using their methods now. Have fun and keep asking questions. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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Smylinacha Connecticut
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| 10/21/2012 10:50 AM |
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Congrats on your new pup! I agree with the others about a crate. We keep Windsor's crate in our bedroom next to Lou's side of the bed. He's not a puppy but when we first got him - 2 yrs old, he knew what "go to bed" meant and we'd put him in the crate. He'd do fine so long as we were in the room going to bed but in the beginning when we used to crate him to go out for a few hours he'd howl terribly. For some reason it just stopped. He's not crated w/ the door shut anymore - it's his den, nice big blanket over it and a dog bed inside which he does rearrange. He has the total roam of the house but he automatically goes to bed when we do or if it's raining out he'll go to bed after he eats breakfast and snooze all day long and is a wild one when we get home. Velvet was crated too because she's 8 and was peeing alot in the house but for some reason that stopped so she's got the same deal - roam of the house but her crate door is open and she'll go in there all on her own. She will only have an accident (and rarely now) if there is a critter outside and we're not home to pelt it w/ the bb gun. Critters over excite her and she runs in circles and then sometimes would pee. Maybe because it's a puppy phase and then it will stop. I remember my black lab when he was a pup he hated his crate. I went to the store and bought a wind up alarm clock (if they still make such a thing cuz this was years ago) and I'd put it in his crate with him. The tick tock sound soothed him. I put it in there and covered it with some t-shirts with my scent on it. Maybe that will help? |
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demetre126 Ontario, Canada
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| 10/22/2012 4:32 PM |
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I just got a puppy also and the best method is to take them running outside or playing tug-o-war until all their energy is drained and they fall asleep. Once they are sleeping just move them to their kennel. They may open their eyes once inside but don't worry, they will fall right back to sleep....They will wake up in their crate and realize it's not a bad thing, many end up loving their crate with this method. Do this every time they sleep. It works wonders, trust me. I can take my little guy with me anywhere in his crate and he is ok with it. |
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gadawgsfan
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| 10/22/2012 7:10 PM |
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thanks again to everyone for the advice, some new ideas. This weekend we put her bed in our bathroom, its about ten foot away from our bed, turned the radio on low and shs slept all night long friday night, saturday night she peed in the floor but it had to be just before we woke up to get her out cause it was still puddled up and had not starting drying yet. We had a few things we had to do this weekend so we crated her and she goes crazy, and pees in there every time we leave her, the most we were away was 2 hours, the other two times were only for 1/2 hr to 3/4, she still pees and shreds whatever you leave in there. i have tried to wear her down with play and she will be going to sleep and soon as i put her in the kennel she starts crying and yelping. I will have to say that all that is starting to get shorter, i jst hate to see her cry herself to sleep. Well thanks again to everyone |
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gadawgsfan
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| 10/22/2012 7:37 PM |
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texas belle, I did a search for snap and could not find her, by chance would it be snips you were thinking about? |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 10/22/2012 10:04 PM |
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Yes, it was snips. Now I feel really feel dumb. LOL hang in there with the pup. You will get there. Remember you are the trainer, don't let her fool you. Remember shorthairs are very smart. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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Harvey the GSP South West France
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| 10/24/2012 9:51 AM |
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Our puppy is pretty good now at night at 11 - 12 weeks. He stays in the front room with us until about midnight, I let him out for pee pee and lock him in the utility room. He manages to go through until about 7am when we get up. His basket and blanket are in teh utility room. Move the blanket into the front room while we are up.
The first week we had him we had him in the same room as us. We sent a blanket for his mummy to sleep with before we picked him up and used this as a comfort, with a warm bottle (The teddy in the photo)
Then we moved him into the utility room. We had a couple of night s of whining but now, touch wood, he seems to be ok with it.
He doesn't like being left in a room during the day at the moment though. |
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gadawgsfan
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| 10/24/2012 2:35 PM |
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| No problem Texas belle thanks for the info. I have sent her an email, hopefully we can get together and work something out for willow's training. |
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