kpwlee Raleigh, NC
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| 09/13/2012 5:42 PM |
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A while back I posted that he seemed to be having a neck issue. We went to the ortho surgeon and he tried to find out what was going on without success.
He thought it might be a toe injury.
I was skeptical then and have dismisssed that entirely.
I was just away for 10 days in which my mom watched him so the only activity he got was a few short plays with some buddies. When i got home his limp was the same or worse
I'm doing a rimadyl and tramadol regime and going to crate rest him (<= pray for me) for 5-7 days and see if we get some where. Otherwise its back to the surgeon, sigh.
The weather is finally fabulous and they'll be no hiking, field fun or kayak trips for us  |
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smatulewicz Michigan
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| 09/13/2012 6:33 PM |
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Wishing you luck for both Bugsy and you since you won't be enjoying the nice weather with him (I thought I'd go crazy those three weeks Bella was on heat/house arrest). Could too much rest cause stiffness? My nephew dog is 8, he runs in the woods like a maniac, but limps when he gets up from a long nap...go figure. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 09/13/2012 7:42 PM |
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| Will be praying that your regime will work. Hugs to Bugsy from his buds in TX. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
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gsplover Houston, Tx.
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| 09/14/2012 12:03 AM |
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Poor Bugsy. Hope he gets better soon. |
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"He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion." -- Unknown |
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gsplover Houston, Tx.
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| 09/14/2012 12:12 AM |
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@ smatulewicz, .....Maybrie limps if she runs really hard ......REALLY hard and fast, usually in our own backyard! Come to find out, she has an old pelvic (at the iliac crest) and coccyx fracture. What the breeder/trainer/vet thought was a leg issue, was actually her pelvis. We got her at 5 months of age, and there is evidence, due to atrophy of the right leg muscle, that it was an old injury as a younger pup. The vet gave us some meds to help her when she has pain. It is rare, but on occasion she will limp. Her hip bones are slightly uneven when she stands, and she turns her right rear leg out. She actually ran into another littermate and broke her littermates pelvis completely in half. We don't know if that's when it happened, or if she hurt it jumping from something or falling from the wood pile. She never showed signs of injury until the day we went to pick her up, and the breeder took her to the vet. At that time, as the injury was so subtle, they vet believed it was a muscle strain.....go figure! It didn't really show fully until her growth spurt. Now, fully grown, it's more pronounced. Poor girl. She doesn't know she's hurt though. Thank goodness! She is SO rough and tumble, there is no telling what that girl did. She is forever tackling her 75 pound brother! |
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"He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion." -- Unknown |
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everbell Kanata, ON
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| 09/14/2012 6:01 AM |
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| Poor Bugs! Hope you can sort it out! |
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DLord Holly Springs, NC
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| 09/14/2012 7:02 AM |
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Sending Bugsy lots of speedy recovery wishes! |
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kpwlee Raleigh, NC
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| 09/14/2012 8:01 AM |
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Thanks everyone - he is his happy-go-lucky-self despite the significant hitch in his step He truly HATES not getting his daily exercise though and that is the toughest part for me. I feel so guilty and sad about it. |
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therozypozy
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| 09/14/2012 9:43 AM |
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I am sure it is just as hard on you as it is Bugsy . . . hope the crate rest does the trick and you are back out in the nice fall weather.
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kpwlee Raleigh, NC
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| 09/18/2012 3:32 PM |
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| Well I decided to go back to the regular vet today- he found the problem- something with the biceps muscle/ tendon - likely bursitis at the insertion point. So good to have a diagnosis but likely a LONG road back. We can swim to our hearts content though, so at least he can be active |
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High5Hanna
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| 09/18/2012 7:16 PM |
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I feel for Bugsy.
I have the same thing in the tendon in My ankle and it just doesn't go away completely . The docs just give streching exersizes and say to take advil. maybe massage will help him.
Good luck Bugsy! |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 09/18/2012 8:58 PM |
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| The swimming will really help. That is how I rehabbed Belle after she had her bicep tendon surgery. Once she got to the point where the surgeon said ok to start working again she was either in the water tank or at the lake swimming every day. It didn't take long and she was back 100%. You might also look into laser therapy and/ or acupuncture if the swimming doesn't do it for Bugsy. The combination often works very well. Good luck to the big boy. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
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kpwlee Raleigh, NC
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| 09/19/2012 2:46 PM |
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Bev I am considering the surgery - I know he is older (7 which unfortunately is old for a dog his size) but gosh he is still so active.
We had to have a couple of lumps aspirated and checked so I am waiting for those to come back and then will decide whether to schedule an arthroscopic surgery which will A) determine exactly what is happening in there and B) they can fix it at that time.
I don't fancy the 6-8 wks of nothing (we did that for the TPLO) but I learned from that experience that sometimes 'resting' only delays moving forward.
Their lives are too short to waste months of nothing only to have to do surgery anyway.
I would appreciate it if you sent a message describing her experience. Firsthand knowledge is always great.
High5Hanna - I too have had my share of tendon issues And I do realize that this is likely going to be with him for life now. I have read some stories of performance dogs with this that just never get fully back. He isn't a performance dog but he is extremely athletic and active, I have no problem believing he blew this tendon  |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 09/19/2012 4:57 PM |
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Belle had a partial tear of her bicep tendon when she was about a year old. She hurt herself when she side swiped a tree going after a frisbee. It took about 6 months to diagnose because Belle just didn't react to any manipulation and it didn't show up in X-rays due to the fact that it was a soft tissue injury. Once they diagnosed the only recourse was surgery. They clipped the tendon from the shoulder bone, then they freshened the end of the tendon by clipping off the top. They then closed everything up. This particular tendon will reattach on it's own. So she had about seven weeks where she could not run or jump, and only minimal walking on leash. After we got past the healing period, we elected to do physical therapy which was a combination of work in the water tank treadmill walking, laser therapy, massage, and swimming. She had a full recovery. The vet said that about 80% who have this surgery recover fully. Belle had a good result because she was in great physical shape and young. I think the physical therapy helped, but there is nothing specific I can point to. Let me know if you have any questions. Good luck with Bugsy. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
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pixie bee
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| 09/19/2012 5:05 PM |
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Sorry he's hurting. I have been told that rubing peanut oil on the brusitis area helps. Probably not an option with dogs tho. hugs and kisses to Bugsy |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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kpwlee Raleigh, NC
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| 09/19/2012 5:35 PM |
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Thanks PB - a friend sent white flower oil and I have woodlock oil - both of which are great for aches and pains but Bugsy goes berserk when you use them on him. He isn't much of a touchy feel-y dog. Peanut oil can't hurt Thanks Bev! I know the exact diagnosis is tough, I don't see the point of doing the MRI or ultrasound before the arthroscope as from what I can see getting in there is the surest way of seeing exactly what has happened. The vet seemed determined to 'show up' the orthopedic surgeon last night so he was clearly working hard to think of ways to figure out what was happening. He spent 90 minutes with us, manipulating him, having him gait, questions, more manipulation, etc. Finally he flexed B's wrist and elbow, pulled it up tight to his shoulder and applied back pressure. Then he dug into the area where the tendon attaches and got a yelp. The very first yelp I have ever heard from Bugsy and I am not exaggerating. His pain tolerance or insensitivity is nuts. (later on when the doc was aspirating the lumps he said, "wow he really doesn't care" LOL) Anyway at this point what we know is the focal point is where the biceps attaches and our current plan is to minimize weight bearing activity & explosive moves (this is going to be nearly impossible), give some NSAIDS, and do some swimming. Once we find out about the lumps, I will further discuss a treatment plan that will hopefully minimize his down time and increase the likelihood of a full recovery. Thanks again for the info and good wishes - I <3 the Beast! |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 09/19/2012 8:45 PM |
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The reason it took 6 months to diagnose Belle was she never yelped or flinched. The ortho surgeon was amazed. He said she should have taken his head off. Since then I have noticed shorthairs have a very high pain threshold which makes this type of injury hard to diagnose. I also opted not to do an MRI as the definitive diagnose could only come through surgery. The vets also told me it wasn't likely to heal on its own. So we went straight for the surgery. It is hard to keep these dogs from running and jumping. Don't get down on yourself if you aren't completely successful. Do the best you can. The one thing I did notice with Belle is she did seem to understand she had to take it easy. The hard part was toward the end when she thought she was well. She did love the physical therapy and became the star patient. She would walk in and go straight to the therapy room and sit next to the water tank which was here favorite. Good luck to you and Bugsy! Keep us updated on his progress. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
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kpwlee Raleigh, NC
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| 09/20/2012 12:40 PM |
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Thanks for the support Bev. I do know that I will not be 100% successful - been through it after the knee surgery. After a week he would try to run zoomies while we were taking him out for potty walks. It was like trying to hold onto a wild stallion He never really got the "I need to take it easy" part, but we made it through. Took him swimming today and he was soooooooooooo happy to be active. I am super fortunate to live a mile from a large lake. Going to be tougher to get him out there when we lose light but hopefully I can squeeze it in at lunch |
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therozypozy
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| 09/20/2012 7:19 PM |
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I so know where you are coming from. My Maple does not know what the word is take it easy. She had hurt her shoulder leaping off the porch at a neighbors chicken that came on our side of the fence and everytime I would let her go on my runs at the lakefront, she would end up limping. The vet really could not find anything but still she would come up lame after a run . . . so she had to stop. She would cry when I would leave with the other dogs. But she got her treat when I would bring the other dogs back I would take her down on leash down to the lake so she could swim. She finally got used to the routein and like Bugsy she was so very happy to doing something.
She seems to have made a great recovery (it has been about 2 months) and I took her running with me today and she is doing fine . . . no lameness.
Hope you are able to find the time to take Bugsy out because no doubt it makes a huge different to them. And swimming is so good for them.
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kpwlee Raleigh, NC
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| 09/20/2012 8:10 PM |
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Thanks Roz and great news about Maple! Yea he howls louder than imaginable when I go out for my morning run without him. KILLS me  |
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