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09/13/2012 5:20 AM  

Jake is not off his dietary restrictions from last week's health episode. For the past week, his diet has been chicken, or beef, and rice with mixed in blue buffalo dry food, with meals being given as a larger breakfast and dinner, and 2-3 more smaller (about 1.5-2 cups) of the meat and rice in between.

The problem is that his weight is either stuck at or dropping from 55.5 pounds. It is hard to say exactly since he has been on several scales, but on one scale he went from 57-54 in two weeks, and on the other, where I am taking him myself, have him standing in as exact the same position as possible on the same scale, he went from 55.5 monday to 53.5 yesterday!!

He had checked in at the kennel we rescued him from at 68lbs in April. The vet sees nothing at the moment and has suggested giving it time before more tests.

My question is, I know from past experience that there are several food to help lower weight (we had a Fit and Trim hot dog for years) but I am unaware of how to help a dog GAIN weight. Does anyone know a good brand, or suggest how I can prepare at least half his meals at home to help him put on the pounds? The vet suggested a powder which I am hoping to find today (had to wait on a little cash, plus weight till his health cleared). I would rather take the route of dietary changes to supplements, but I am not sure how to go about it. People here seem to be so knowledgableand experienced I was hoping for help? How to we fatten Jake up?

I know some dogs are just thin, but he looks emaciated (though shows no obvious signs of malnutrition or health effects from the weight loss).

 

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09/13/2012 5:43 AM  
I will note that his does look VERY skinny, with ALL the ribs showing easily as well as his spine. He is aslo still on exercise restriction because of heart worm recovery (through the end of september). He appears to have healthy muscle tone in his legs and shoulders, but his body looks emmaciated. I am most worried because the weight seems to be conintuing to come off (come monday if it hasn't take a step in the right direction, it's vet time). He is also currently on antibiotic, and though I would recognize the name if I saw it, can't remember it now (of course)
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09/13/2012 10:06 AM  
I'm certainly no expert by any means. I can only pass along what I have read....but I have a couple of questions. How old is he, how much are you feeding him, and how active is he? Our 75 pound male, eats 5-6 cups a day, and his ribs still show....although he has a fat pad on his chest, so we could probably cut him to 4 1/2 cups! Our 60 pound female always looks thin, but not emaciated, but she is CONSTANTLY moving. She eats anywhere from 3-5 cups a day depending on her appetite. We feed 3 times a day, and at each feeding I offer them 1 1/2 - 2 cups each at each feeding.....so up to 6 cups per day. This amount keeps their weight steady, give or take a couple of pounds here and there. Lots of things can affect their weight. I know my female gets cold very easily. She can be looking thick one minute, but if she is cold and shivering, say after a bath if we don't dry her well before bringing her in the house, she can look emaciated in 15 minutes! They have very, very high metabolisms.

Now.....what to do about low weight. I have read that people add things to their food like olive oil, or eggs. I don't know if I would do that, or if it would work, but with the olive oil, people say the coats look and feel better and it helps put a little more weight on. I don't know if this is healthy or not, so PLEASE ask a professional before doing this!! I would start with offering more food.....more than you think he will eat, and see what happens. Good luck!

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09/13/2012 12:14 PM  
he is 3-3.5 (not positive) and as for activity... because he is on restrictions, he never jogs more than a block or two over hte course of the day, but take 2-3 1/4 mile walks, not allowed to run yet. I can say exactly how much food he gets for breakfast and dinner, I don't do them, but I would say probably 3 cups total each time (guessing given my boyfriends style) of rice/meat/blue buffalo dry. At least twice during the day he gets 1.5-2 cups of rice/meat (the rice the meat has some olive oil in it, not much) and when I am around, always fresh cooked meat for treats/rewards (never using the same thing for both). He has dropped from 57-55-53 in the past two weeks, and that is the part that scares me. No weighing in today, but will do tomorrow. Starting today I think he is getting the serving sized upped about 1/2 cup to a full cup more with each feeding. So he is getting quite a bit over hte course of the day (from 6-9 cups total I am guess, but again, I do not do every feeding and basing some on what I have said to give him, but guessing my boyfriend gives him more)
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09/13/2012 1:50 PM  

Wow - 6 cups!  I don't want to come across as rude but are your dogs not pooping machines with that much food?  Zoe is 50 lbs and gets a cup in the morning and a cup at night of dry food.  Archer is about 65 lbs and he gets one & 1/4 cups in the morning & at night.  If I feed either one of them any more than that they get tummy issues.

 

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09/13/2012 2:04 PM  

 DLord,  Yep....I know 6 cups sounds like a lot, but they run a lot.   They have been a little less active during this part of the summer, so more often then not, our large male gets 5 cups.  I spoke to the vet, and he said some eat more than others, and he's mainaining his weight, not gaining.  He is huge.  They usually poop 3-4x per day.    I know what you mean though, my 85 pound lab gets 2 cups a day, and my 40 pound Aussie/Brittany mix gets 1 1/2 cups a day.   My 60 pound female GSP is super bouncy and hyper and runs a HUGE amount. If she doesn't get at least 4 cups a day she will lose weight and looks very bony.  As it is now, you can see ribs, and hip bones but she looks very heatlthy!  She is thin and wiry looking, and has a smaller frame.  My male is super buff looking, but I can still see ribs on him.  I certainly would not want him to gain anymore weight though!  He could actually stand to lose about 5 pounds, but that will happen when he runs even more.  He is out of shape due to the 4 week confinement for his broken toe.  


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09/13/2012 3:54 PM  
Spad out over several small meals.. Heispooping fine, frankly not enough considering, but still loosing weight.. Hence the problem
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09/13/2012 5:18 PM  
Probably need to up his fat as it sounds like he is getting pretty good protein. It might ales help to give some probiotics. I would ask the vet about adding some yogurt, maybe some hamburger too. You might also check out feeding satin balls. Allot of shoe people use satin balls to fatten up thin dogs pretty quickly. Just google and you will find the recipe. If you can't find it, let me know and I will post a recipe. Be sure and talks to your vet first to make sure it won't bother him.

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09/13/2012 5:35 PM  
you might try Prozyme to help with his ability to digest the food. I also agree that he may need a higher fat food like an Orijen/evo/acana etc.

I am kind of confused about the amount of activity he is doing being heartworm +, my understanding has always been that they are on super low activity like just poop walks

And iirc he is having issues with the resident dog? That stress can be making it harder for him in EVERY way.

Between being very sick, recently rescued after being in a shelter and having a bad situation with the resident dog I am not surprised he is stressed and losing weight

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09/14/2012 4:27 AM  
He gets hamburger, never heard of satin balls. AS forthe activity... where he is now, is up from when we got him. Technically, he is off restriction the end of this week, but we are keeping him low activity till oct. 1st (slowly working up). He own desire for activity started coming up last week (mid week).

The problems with the resident dog are kept minimal through separatation, trying to keep them interacting on walks, outside of the house. The resident dog has possessive issues, while jake is tgrying to establish dominance. Though there is bite to the fights, they sound way worse than they really are. From his behavior, I would say last week he hit a mark with adjustment (trust that this is his home)

My concern is that he should be gaining by now, not still losing. I will be getting him weighed today. We replaced someofthe rice with pasta, and I have time today to go look for a higher fat food. If the vet is in today (I am usually there weighing while he is at lunch, and he is my vet not the BF's.) I will ask him some about it. I was not a HUGE fan of the vet my BF uses, when I went to the visit last week, but I may just be used to the personality of my own (after over 20 years that can happen LOL)
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09/14/2012 4:32 AM  
I really have to remember to write down the name of the antibiotic he is on. I also forgot to mention that just over a year ago, I watched out great big bear (Buddy the Springer) completely wasting while eating like a pig, then he passed (the vet was still working on finding out what was up) he was 12, and no longer thrilled with life having lost his hearing and most of his eyesight, and though he kept up his energy well till the end, it was HEARTBREAKING to watch "the bear" waste into a skeleton. So it is possible I am over reacting, but watching the numbers fall on the scale is NOT fun when he is already so underweight.
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09/14/2012 12:50 PM  
It may simply be that he is becoming more active right now and you may just need to up in caloric intake. Remember he has been largely on bed rest and not using many calories. I would expect to feed more as he becomes more active to make up the difference. He needs more calories anyway due to being underweight. Adding more fat and protein will likely help him.

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09/14/2012 1:20 PM  
What's worrisome is that he was losing weight on bed rest. The good news is that at today's weight in he was up one half a pund from wed which means he either gained or stayed the same which is better than losing.
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09/15/2012 5:21 AM  
Just a question. Wouldn't bed rest mean that his muscle mass might diminish? And given that muscle mass weighs more than fat, might that explain some of the loss? I would expect that once he starts moving again, muscle mass would build and weight would increase.

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09/15/2012 5:35 AM  
Actually, the boy has muscle tone... I am looking at ;ictures here, and he is WAY thin. You can see every rib, and his spine. Sometimes it looks like it's getting better, but it's hard to tell when you see him all the time. Waiting till monday to see what the scale says, and if it isn't something good, have him checked again. He is definitely healthier than when we brought him home. I haven't heard him cough in days at all, which is nice. I checked the calendar and today is the last day of his restriction for exercise, and they had added a week because they said he had kennel cough, though I am wondering if it was that, or the expulsion of the worms? All symptomsof anything, except for the weaight issue, seem completely gone. He is supposed to get an exray in december (four months after the last one)
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09/15/2012 5:37 AM  
Poor thing has not had an easy time has he?

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09/15/2012 6:15 AM  
I wasn't there when he was picked up (I was kind of against getting another dog until certain things in the house were adjusted to prepare) and I am the question asker, I am not sure about Jakes history. What I have been told... He was brought home, kennel kept (no details) with his brither Spot (might explain the chunk of ear missing), and given up when the kid went to college. From the shelter he was adopted, kept for a month, then returned for bahavior?, which I cannot for the life of me figure out what on earth behavior this guy has that's bad (he just needs training, super sweetie and crazy quiet). After that we got him. Now this is all second hand from my BF, so I am unsure what he was told, what he remembers from conversations with the kennel, but when I am training him, or even just hanging out, I can see some behaviors that indicate he wasn't completely neglected, I don't see anything of abuse, and yesterday I found out he has most definitely been hosed off before for a wash.. he posed for me when I went to rinse sand and river off his legs and belly. He HAS for sure been in scraps with other dogs, and from the looks of the scars, I think they predate the kennel we got him from (though I suppose it's possible they came from there, they are known to be over crowded)
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09/15/2012 6:17 AM  
His paperwork was given to the vet before I got to look at it or make copies, so I am kind of in the dark, left thinking the BF is leaving something out, or the shelter left something out
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