keanmu Ontario, Canada
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| 08/20/2012 8:36 AM |
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I have to watch Leos like a hawk if there is ever any food around. Baira knows not to touch it and learnt this from a very young age. After being told no and being seriously told no a few times she hasn't touched the cat food or anything left anywhere since about 8 months old. I can leave a plate of food on the living room floor and she won't touch it. Leos on the other hand just doesn't seem to remember. If I am in the room and tell him no and STAY in the room with him he's fine. The second I leave to the room he helps himself. He casually strolls by the cat food a takes a mouthful when he feels like it. I'm getting frustrated with him, he's 16 months old now. I just got home and let them out their crates and with in 5 seconds he had gone into the living room and had helped himself to the cookie in the bag left on on the side!!!!!!! I fished it out of his mouth, growled at him alot and said leave it no no no, then took him to where the bag was left and growled again and said no no no leave it. It won't make any difference though. We've set food up and watched him from a distance to jump in as soon as he shows an interest but how do I get him to stop helping himself? Or am I expecting too much? Is Baira learning so young unusual? |
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Splat Illinois (Northern)
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| 08/20/2012 9:12 AM |
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I do think every dog is different in how soon they learn things and whether or not they ever learn them... just different personalities... Leos probably knows he shouldn't take the food that's why he doesn't do it when you are right there, but he also feels taking it is worth the risk of getting caught... I know several people on here say their dogs are counter surfers... mine would never do that... Striker did it once with the Christmas cookies but never did it again... Also my oldest son is that last to leave the house in the morning so he gives the dogs their frozen kongs, but I take them out of the freezer and put them on the coffee table next to his phone (which has an alarm so he knows when to leave) when his alarm goes off he turns it off and grabs the kongs and puts them on the floor for the dogs and he leaves... one day he forgot to put them on the floor... believe it or not the dogs didn't take them off the coffee table all day, they were there when I got home so I gave them to the dogs...this surprised me cuz as soon as I put them on the table in the morning the dogs sit staring at them begging my son to put them on the floor for them...I do not think I could leave human food sitting on the table all day, they would defiantly gobble that down as soon as they were alone! |
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therozypozy
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| 08/20/2012 9:21 AM |
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I feel your pain. I have one GSP (now 8) that will take any opportunity for food she can get. I am just diligent about not leaving anything around for her to get to. With my daughter, she got plenty of opportunity. She is also the one that eats her food in 5 seconds. She is extremely food motivated and I think if left to her own devices, she would weigh over 100 pounds. Surely she was a horse in her previous life.
They are all different as Splat said.
Roz. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 08/20/2012 9:51 AM |
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| As everyone said, each one is different. My male is an opportunist. He knows he is not supposed to grab food, but the moment my backed is turned he goes for it. He is now 4 and has improved, but will probably always be a work in progress. For him the reward is worth more than the punishment. My youngest is funny about stuff like this. She knows she is not supposed to grab food, but it is like she can't help it. As soon as she does it though, she brings it to me with a look that says "the devil made me do it." |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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kpwlee Raleigh, NC
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| 08/20/2012 10:11 AM |
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I just think they are different - Bugsy isn't a food thief and he isn't very food motivated. My sister has a dog that has burned her paws trying to get food off the hob(range, stove-top or whatever you call it)!!! and still tries it!! Once they have some success it gets much tougher to change. The best thing is management - if he doesn't get the opportunity, he can't have success. I wouldn't leave any food out, period. He had been smelling those cookies the whole time you were out and had figured out their location from scent density LOL Also I recall a study that was very interesting as it showed that the vast majority of dogs won't take something when someone is looking at them but if the person turns their back they will. Same with listening to commands - will they listen when you are in another room from them or not looking at them? This study showed how reduced their compliance was when the handler was out of sight. I just think he's an opportunistic dog (and a confident one), dogs (many) will scavenge food whenever they can. Pure instinct. I wish you luck but I do think your best bet will be to not tempt him |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 08/20/2012 10:18 AM |
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| Speaking of the study, my boy Ringo fits that to a tee. I had challenges with him on the long sits and downs in obedience. The second I turned by back to him to walk away, he would be up greeting all the other dogs. It took me forever and several "come to Jesus" sessions with him to get it through his head that he could not get up. I finally succeeded by using a compact mirror as my rear view mirror, so I could catch him when I turned my back to him. The funny thing was I thought he would be awful with the out of sight sits and down, but so far he has done well. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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kpwlee Raleigh, NC
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| 08/20/2012 10:31 AM |
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Oh Ringo you are just social Neat solution with the mirror Bev! I've tried all sorts with Bugsy, the only time he creeps is when he is hyped up and we are playing 'find it' AND only outside. The first few runs he's OK but then if I take too long to 'hide' the object and am out of sight he'll creep. And I say creep because he will actually try to stay out of my line of sight but closer to the object LOL Sorry for the side tracking 'keanmu' |
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It's Bugsy's world... http://dailyzoomie.blogspot.com/ |
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everbell Kanata, ON
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| 08/20/2012 1:17 PM |
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| I just can't give mine the opportunity. If there is food out, either my husband or I must be on watch. Otherwise we put it out of reach. |
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Joce and Rich Bogart and Shiraz (GSPs) Roxane (RIP: 1995-2009) and Tiger Lily (Cats) The Everbell Adventures |
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therozypozy
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| 08/20/2012 2:02 PM |
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Too funny Bev . . . we use a kids telescope so we can watch when we walk away or around the corner when we do out of sight stays for obedience.
Maple is my only one that gives me issues with this. She has burned her lip on a hot pan . . . hence the white scar she has on her lip. Java my youngest GSP never does it and she is somewhat food motivated, but she is motivated more by toys. She really likes to play and if the toy is on the counter, now she might go for that. The border collie Splash is the tattle tale. He comes to get me with this certain look that he has that Maple is doing something she should not be doing. Our chocolate lab Wonder is in her own world. Never does anything wrong and is pretty much the couch potato except when you get her leash out for her daily walk.
So yep, all very, very different.
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JMSGunner Bucks County, PA
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| 08/21/2012 6:59 AM |
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Gunner is not a counter surfer, but he will sniff around. He has NEVER grabbed something off the table or counter. He knows better.
He will smell my food if it is on the table but knows never to take a lick at it or take it. I can leave the room, go outside, run an errand, it'll still be there.
We have been in situations with little kids around where they will drop something scrumptious on the floor and he will not touch it unless told it is okay.
I think all dogs are different.
ETA: But he WILL beg like he's never been fed in his life at any and every opportunity. |
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Jackie & Gunner
Impressive Gewehr von Catskill 4/19/2010
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vnrose53
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| 08/21/2012 12:14 PM |
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Its almost as if some dogs obey because they know it is "right" and some obey because they know there are rewards/consequences. The latter will take opportunities if they can't foresee the consequences! Jasper (of blessed memory, the sweeti-boo) would sometimes come whining to me in the morning when I'd inadvertently left food out all night. He wouldn't touch it but would show me and wait for permission. Now Humphrey will help himself to anything if I'm not there to forbid it. He's an "I'll obey when she's watching" type. |
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