DuckFever
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| 07/17/2012 2:55 PM |
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Rowdy will enthusiastically retrieve bumpers with wings attached and without wings attached - in the hallway only. When I go out in the yard to throw them for him he makes the first retrieve and then just stands there and looks at me on the second one. He won't even run out to the bumper on the second one so a check cord would be of no use. Any suggestions? |
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dgsorensen
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| 07/17/2012 3:59 PM |
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| I had some issues with that too. It seemed my pup was too distracted by everything and didn't realize we were playing the same game we were playing inside. I just had to get him excited about the bumper first before I threw it. Now he'll go and get it every time outside no matter what I do before had. If the bumper is already laying in the back yard he'll bring it to me and sit there waiting for me to grab it and throw it. |
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pixie bee
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| 07/17/2012 4:05 PM |
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Don't worry about it.
The outdoors is more exciting right now.
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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DuckFever
Central Oregon
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| 07/17/2012 4:09 PM |
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| Thank you both for your replies. I tried getting him amped up about it, but I think the outdoors is more exciting as both of you said. PB, so do you think as he matures he'll keep his attention focused on the bumper? Thanks. |
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pixie bee
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| 07/17/2012 4:24 PM |
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yes, I do.
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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DuckFever
Central Oregon
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| 07/18/2012 3:36 PM |
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| Thanks. |
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NixiesMark
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| 07/24/2012 9:02 PM |
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I've been working with Nix on some simple retrieving with toys. She goes after the toys and will sometimes bring it close but not to me. Is there a good way to encourage this? She knows "come" fairly well so I was throwing the toy (being excited) and once she got it I'd say come and she'll come towards me like she knows but then heads off a few feet away to plop down and chew. I know this is amateur but I'd rather look stupid than be frustrated and have a poorly trained dog. Am I confusing her with the command "come"?
Would appreciate any advise on this! |
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pixie bee
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| 07/25/2012 4:37 AM |
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Is your pup around 14 weeks old?
There is no way a pup this age could know 'come' well enough to be proofed on it - especially during a retrieve.
I like to recommend using a check cord/leash/rope. Toss or place retreive object,send dog,once object is picked up encourage to come back to you, gently reel in,praise,let dog hold onto retreive for a bit,if they drop it pick it up - rinse and repeat.
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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NixiesMark
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| 07/30/2012 9:40 AM |
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| She's doing better so thank you for the advice! |
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Duckslayer
South Bend, Indiana
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| 12/04/2012 5:27 PM |
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| I have similar problems with my dog thumper. He went off to started gundog school where they also had problems with forced fetch. He will play in yard all day fetch and return to heal with toy. I am trying to turn him onto ducks/geese which i am having a hard time with.And then i run into a snag like today where he wouldnt even return a toy to me. I used the ear pinch as my trainer did while telling him to fetch up and as before it worked and thenwhen i threw toy again he cowered on opposite side of yard like he knew he didnt want it but i would force into it. Any suggestions? |
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pixie bee
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| 12/09/2012 2:50 PM |
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My suggestion would be to properly force fetch your dog with a proven method,yourself.
The ear pinch needs to be used as a method to promote momentum, not fear.
There are several benefits to force fetch, all of which seem to have been lost.
My guess is your dog does not know what fetch means, has no idea what the ear pinch means and has no idea how to work thru pressure - basically, your dog has major confusion issues. He seems like a natural retriever - let's not screw that up any more than it already has been.
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Duckslayer
South Bend, Indiana
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| 12/11/2012 10:11 AM |
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| I'm not quite sure what is going on. I know he knows what fetch is and I know he knows what is expected of him. He will point and hold point while I take him to trainers facility and return to heal with down bird. He just will not pick up a duck unless I put in his mouth and now all of a sudden he don't even want bumper I always work him with.i have too much love for my animals so I can't justify hurting him with an ear pinch to make him do it I did it once an felt bad for him |
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Duckslayer
South Bend, Indiana
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| 12/11/2012 10:45 AM |
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| Trainer had mentioned when I would call to check on him what a wonderful day he had then I would call two days later and he would tell me he would cooperate as he did the other day. I don't doubt your judgement but trainer has been breeding and training shorthairs for 25years I have not so I kinda gotta trust him .I will be taking him back to him this weekend back when he receives more birds to shoot and see how he reacts then. |
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pixie bee
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| 12/11/2012 11:44 AM |
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I can only reply to what you've posted.
I can not know what the trainer has/has not done.
You have a dog who is not performing according to his training.If you want to take responsibility for this, that's your choice.
Has the dog been forced on ducks?
Water forced?
Has the dog been collar conditioned to fetch?
The ear pinch is not intended to hurt the dog, if it is then it is being used incorrectly. Only apply enough pressure to motivate the dog. If the dog is screaming and not being motivated to perform, it can indiacte several things - all of which point at improper training.
FF can not be on a schedule. yes, we can say that if it takes 2 months to complete the process and one particular dog 6 months, we can say this particular dog is behind schedule. But, we need to ask why the dog is behind?
The answer may solve many issues the dog is displaying.
Telling me a dog is stubborn says more about the trainer than the dog.
Shooting birds for the dog is great, but it doesn't solve the ff issues. You would be relying on prey drive and natural retrieve. And these are great to have. FF is about making retreiving a command/a job.
Have you seen other dogs who have been thru his ff process?
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Duckslayer
South Bend, Indiana
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| 12/11/2012 12:03 PM |
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| Yes I have seen dogs from thumpers litter and the other he had around same time. He will fetch from hand when told. I can throw something he wants have him whoa and send to get. If he wants it. That is problem |
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