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weerubbertummy Ayrshire, Scotland
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| 05/18/2012 11:14 AM |
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Just looking for some feedback on an issue i have with Keely - i say "issue" but i'm not sure if i should just let it be because she's still a pup enjoying herself.
I am hoping to introduce her to hunting in the future but really just for fun (initially). She's always been really enthusiastic, motivated and focussed when it comes to retrieving, and for the first 4 months of her life she was retrieving (a tennis ball) to hand without any problems. I had spent a lot of time playing fetch in the house and garden, making a point of not touching her head area when she came back and after spending a few days swapping whatever toy she had for another toy to get her to leave she began letting the toy go into my hands without me offering an alternative. This went on for a while, but we became rather over-enthusiastic with the ball chucker because she loves fetching so much.
To begin with we would chuck the ball with it, she would bring it back, but then she became possessive of the ball if i tried to pick it up with the chucker, i reverted to offering another ball in the chucker if she let go of the one she had brought back. As you can imagine, this has now become a game to her and i've lost the lovely retrieve to hand we had initially (although i think it was partly puppy trust more than a genuine retrieve to hand ).
I have now rearranged the furniture in the house to allow us to practice the hallway retrieve (back to basics) to see if i can get that trust back again. Should i just leave her be and let her enjoy the game of fetch it has become because she's still so young or should i try to reign it in again and re-gain some of the trust/control? Her enjoyment is paramount, but i'm sure she would enjoy doing hpr activites in the future. |
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Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx |
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pixie bee
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| 05/18/2012 12:01 PM |
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Only b/c you say you might hunt with her - I say to teach a formal hold. Balls are not so good b/c they encourage mouthing. You are not really in control of the situation - you are relying totally on her mood/whim of the moment. You have taught her some good habits but have not trainered her to be reliable or consistent. Food for thought. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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weerubbertummy Ayrshire, Scotland
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| 05/18/2012 12:11 PM |
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| Thanks, i'll look into the formal hold. I received a Rory Major (uk hpr trainer/breeder) dvd today so i'm hoping to put a couple of weeks worth of work into Keely (and myself ;0) before hopefully meeting up with an hpr group whilst on holiday - i want to at least have a very rough idea of what they're talking about if i get to join in with anything. I threw a dummy for her today (been keeping it, was never really sure how to introduce it and wanted to do it right) and she unfortunately kept it (although teased me with it) and chewed it, so obviously i've got a lot of work to do. So excited!!! |
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Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx |
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pixie bee
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| 05/18/2012 12:28 PM |
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While you're at it - get the recall to near perfect - this will help a lot with the games she is playing with you |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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weerubbertummy Ayrshire, Scotland
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| 05/18/2012 1:00 PM |
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| She is definately testing me just now as her recall is 100% until she has something in her mouth, she definately knows that i have plans which incorporate her LEAVING whatever she has - i've actually begun to ignore her when she steals things (not belonging to her) from around the house, and aside from when she picks up items which may be unsafe, i try to leave her to it, but then praise her when she drops it of her own accord. |
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Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 05/18/2012 5:08 PM |
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| If you want to fix the problem with the retrieve, get a chair, the toy (not something she can chew up at first) and a book or magazine and put the chair in your yard. You plant your behind in the chair and you are not allowed to get up. You toss the toy from the chair. If Keely retrieves and returns the toy to you while you are sitting in the chair, the game can continue. At first, give her 5 to 10 minutes to bring it back. Later you shorten the time. If she brings it back throw the ball again. If she plays the keep away game pick up your book and read while waiting. If after a period of time she hasn't brought it back, pick up your book and chair and go inside. Do not say a word to her. It usually doesn't take them any time to figure this one out if you are consistent. Whatever you do do NOT chase her. |
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weerubbertummy Ayrshire, Scotland
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| 05/19/2012 12:54 AM |
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Thanks for the advice. Not pointing fingers (ok, i am) but my other half turned it into a chasing game with Kintra, so i made sure he didnt do the same with Keely, and i definately dont chase her. The main problem is that she'll drop it approx 2m away, pick it up then run in a circle with it and repeat, then eventually she'll jump/push (like doing chest compressions) it with her front paws until it gets near me. And if i'm not using the ball chucker, she'll allow me to pick it up. Sometimes she'll just drop, push and run. I'm sure the ball chucker started the problem (so i've removed it from the equation), but i'm worried that the jumping/pushing becomes an ingrained habit, and if we do eventually hunt obviously that wouldnt be ideal delivery :0) |
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Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx |
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weerubbertummy Ayrshire, Scotland
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| 05/19/2012 1:56 AM |
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Ok, there has been a new development in this issue. Other half's friends arrived just after my last post to pick up my other half to go cycling. Keely was initially rather wary of one of them (having never met either before), but she's usually very quick to warm to people but she kept away until i enticed her through with her tennis ball. When he threw the ball for her, not only did she warm to him but she delivered it back to his hands almost straight away He doesnt look, sound or act in any particularly dominant or aggressive way. He's friendly, easy-going and loves dogs so i'm not sure why she was wary of him and not the other guy.
I'm thinking her issue with me is because i play fetch with her tennis ball for a while and then i remove the ball once she has dropped it and put it away - otherwise she'll continually throw the ball at me, push it under furniture to get my attention, bark at it, etc - so i make a point of ending the game. I dont grab the ball from her mouth, but i dont actually ask her to leave it, i pick it up when she drops it of her own accord. I dont (need to) do this with other toys. Do you think this is what has affected her bringing items back to me? Or did my other half's friend maybe just encourage more respect from her? |
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Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx |
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Splat Illinois (Northern)
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| 05/19/2012 5:55 AM |
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I think it could be a combo of those last two things you mentioned... sometimes they will respect someone else that they don't know just because they aren't sure what they can get away with from that person.. I know from other posts you have made that you have been lenient at times and sometimes a softy, but I have to admit I think you are getting the hang of it... Striker is obsessive with things being thrown for him... if we leave balls out he will constantly put it in our lap and nudge us and whine till we throw it... what we do is end the throwing retrieve game by the find it game... we hide the ball and let him find it a few times... then we end that by putting the ball up on a shelf where he can still see it but he is told to leave it... if he continues to stare or whine at it he goes in time out... as far as retrieve to hand the chair and ignore thing that Bev mentioned worked for us... |
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