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02/03/2012 9:02 AM  

Goin' out tomorrow!  Supposed to be warm (means it will be messy...), but I will try to get some good photos to post (last ones were a bit foggy - must have had some condensation on the lenses due to cold).  I may have to get the water-proof enclosure .  I have been very excited - Sadie has been doing AWESOME in her training over the last week!  Could mean all goes to heck, but I will take my chances.


It is watching the dogs work that I thoroughly enjoy, and love. I could get by with just watching them work - if it weren't for all the training, and the joy they exhibit when they pick-up, and deilver to hand a bird that they pointed, and you shot. - Todd
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02/03/2012 9:04 AM  
Good luck and have fun! I'm really beginning to get quite jealous of anyone planning to go out in the field with their dogs :0)

Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx
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02/03/2012 10:51 AM  
Posted By weerubbertummy on 02/03/2012 9:04 AM
Good luck and have fun! I'm really beginning to get quite jealous of anyone planning to go out in the field with their dogs :0)


Well, in any case it is nice to be able to run the dog off the leash, and watch her work birds (breeding!) without the risk of getting in trouble (LOL PB!), a ticket, or getting Shot/Tased by police, or park rangers... 

"Don't Tase me Bro!"  - or my dog


It is watching the dogs work that I thoroughly enjoy, and love. I could get by with just watching them work - if it weren't for all the training, and the joy they exhibit when they pick-up, and deilver to hand a bird that they pointed, and you shot. - Todd
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02/03/2012 11:26 AM  
Take pictures,can't wait to see them.

I'm jealous,too.
We have been stuck here in the city due to work related issues.

Make sure your shot is true - this way she can get retrieving practice.



"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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02/03/2012 12:31 PM  
Posted By pixie bee on 02/03/2012 11:26 AM
Take pictures,can't wait to see them.

I'm jealous,too.
We have been stuck here in the city due to work related issues.

Make sure your shot is true - this way she can get retrieving practice.
 

Will do.  I keep a "Dog Log" with Sadie.  It has become a little bit more than just a photo-journal.  I think I have pictures of about every bird shot over her (of course, it is but her first season!). 

I am cursed by having a Quality Engineering background - so I also keep all sorts of useful (and useless) information on Sadie, and our training/hunting.  I know how many birds we released, how many she pointed, how many we shot (and...  I hesitate..  how many shots we fired...  ugh...). 


It is watching the dogs work that I thoroughly enjoy, and love. I could get by with just watching them work - if it weren't for all the training, and the joy they exhibit when they pick-up, and deilver to hand a bird that they pointed, and you shot. - Todd
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02/05/2012 1:48 PM  

Sadie did FANTASTIC!  Can't quite say the same for us...  It was a cloudy, windy day, and that gave the birds afterburners once they got turned with the wind.  Lost 3 right off the bat first thing - flew right out of the field.  Thought it was going to be a really bad day.

We did settle down, however, and ended up getting 7 of the 8 birds we released on the morning.  Add to that one quail as well.  Sadie did beautifully and had great opportunities to retrieve (6 of the 7 birds were hens).  She retrieved every opportunity I gave her, and even some of them directly to hand (we have some clean-up to do on that end with fresh birds). 

In all, Sadie put-up 16 birds (some birds were flushed twice after misses).  We figured we had quality chances at at least 10 birds - NOT A BAD DAY!!


It is watching the dogs work that I thoroughly enjoy, and love. I could get by with just watching them work - if it weren't for all the training, and the joy they exhibit when they pick-up, and deilver to hand a bird that they pointed, and you shot. - Todd
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02/06/2012 5:13 AM  
Sounds like a great day ! Good stuff !

Chris
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02/06/2012 7:04 AM  
I see that sign doesn't read : Leashed Dogs Only :)

A great day for you guys!





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02/06/2012 10:22 AM  
Thanks everyone. Wish we would have hit more birds than we paid for... (duh). In any case, I think Sadie did well! It was great seeing her work so hard, and make such improvement over this hunting season!

You know, in all honesty Francine, I don't know how people train dogs to hunt where leashes are always required! As it is, I feel I have to minimize the time the dog is on a leash, or check-cord (by the way, even leashes over 10 feet in length are not to be used where I live either as part of the "Leash-Laws") because it teaches the dog to walk funny (to avoid stepping on the leash).

I would post my thoughts in other areas, but the indignity over why on earth I would risk the dog (aparently) by not having it on a leash... Boggles my mind. Hard enough being a hunter in Illinois without having to wonder how you are going to train your dog. Game conservation without a dog is unfathomable (IMO). Case in point, we routinely pick up birds that are stiff-dead that others have lost - even at the club.

Once you realize, however, that this is what the dogs were bred for, what they LIVE for (really not hard to see that) it is not a hard thing to put together in my mind. The GSP needs to run free, and it is eager enough to please, and intelligent enough to run and hunt with handler, under a state of control.

It is watching the dogs work that I thoroughly enjoy, and love. I could get by with just watching them work - if it weren't for all the training, and the joy they exhibit when they pick-up, and deilver to hand a bird that they pointed, and you shot. - Todd
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02/06/2012 12:00 PM  
Love your avatar!!!!

Luckily where we live is quite green - if I hopped in the car for about 10 minutes or so minutes I can be in a great area for training - not on live birds tho and no capgun. I colud release pigeons and no one would even notice HAHAHAHA.
There was a time when there were wild pheasants and we had to stop the car to allow them to cross in front.Not anymore tho. But, if I'm careful I can work with dead game. I don't go alone b/c ,believe it or not, there are more dangerous predators than my dogs - the area is isolated and you just don't know if a wacko is lurking around. So, I go when my very big,strong husband is around to tag along.
Thankfully - to have a really good hunting dog doesn't require all that much training.
Exposure and experience - yes - training,not all that much.

So, where are all those pictures you promised????
You don't think you're going to get away with one teeny-weeny photo -do you?


"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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02/06/2012 12:13 PM  

WOW! Some weird stuff going on. I posted a couple of pictures, but they were originally on Walgreens, so I am not sure if they are visible. I tried to change my avatar (from me and Sadie, with me holding Sadie's first bird (a rooster) to a black and white of Sadie Pointing), and it would seem from your comments that it worked, but I still show my old avatar... Weird. What does my Avatar look like to you...?  I will try to re-post the pictures.

OH!  Wait a second.  You stated what the sign in one of the pictures said - so you must see it...  That was the best shot of the day (camera issues - sorry).  There should also have been one of Sadie bounding through the cover as well.  Only other good one I got was this of my dad...

Amazing we wee hunting in Flannels in the beginning of February in Northern Illinois...

And one more of Sadie working, although not so exciting...

Sadie would whine again when she was on a bird.  With the wind, and warmth, it made the birds a little skiddish, and they would flush when she would start whinning. 


It is watching the dogs work that I thoroughly enjoy, and love. I could get by with just watching them work - if it weren't for all the training, and the joy they exhibit when they pick-up, and deilver to hand a bird that they pointed, and you shot. - Todd
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02/06/2012 12:35 PM  
Avatar is the new b/w.
There are now 4 pics.
I know how difficult it is to take pictures while hunting. I always bring the camera but rarely use it. Too much going on and too fast to capture on film.
I don't have much to offer about the whinning - excpet if she's flushing them she's probably getting her reward. My guess is she will out grow it with experience. Is her tail flagging (wagging),too?




"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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02/06/2012 1:05 PM  

Strange, I still see my initial avatar instead of the B/W!

I guess I should clarify. Her tail stops most times, and she stands-off prey well. The new Avatar I took as a series where she stood off the bird on point long enough for me to snap quite a few shots (many of which were out of focus, unfortunately), and then flush the bird.  The main exception is when the birds are moving. So, I think she is holding point, but whinning. We had one situation in the middle of our day where there were 5 birds running ahead of her in cover (on a tree-line at the north-end of our field). Because we were in thick cover, I couldn't see the dog, but I knew she was on a bird because she was whinning!  She pushed to birds to a break, and all 5 flew - two roosters, and 3 hens (we shot twice, and got nothing, of course). Interestingly enough, all three hens flew south, both roosters flew north. We bagged all three hens eventually. I agree, she will probably outgrow it with experience - especially if she pushes birds where we don't get a shot (still occasionally happens hunting up-wind, although A LOT less than her first couple times out). Her reward is very much being able to retrieve a shot bird.

For the record, we got our first "look" (like she would've flipped us off if she could) after we missed the first 3 birds she pointed.  And I guess that's why they call it "the bird"!!


It is watching the dogs work that I thoroughly enjoy, and love. I could get by with just watching them work - if it weren't for all the training, and the joy they exhibit when they pick-up, and deilver to hand a bird that they pointed, and you shot. - Todd
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02/06/2012 2:40 PM  
Posted By pixie bee on 02/06/2012 12:35 PM
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I know how difficult it is to take pictures while hunting. I always bring the camera but rarely use it. Too much going on and too fast to capture on film.
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I can usually get some good pictures.  My issue Saturday was that I couldn't get the batteries to last more than a couple of shots - partially due to the cold (and alakline batteries), and partially because of the cloudiness (and flash).  I had a different camera than I normally take with me.  I usually have a little Sony DSC point-and-shoot that works well, and I can strap it to my wrist.  It is light enough that it doesn't affect shooting (if it is on my right hand).  And, I can flip it up and grab a shot pretty quickly.

I also would have done better if we had more roosters - We only bagged one that we had thought we had missed (magic BB).  All the rest were hens.  We saw 4 total roosters (by our count) which Sadie pointed (one other that the group to the North of us shagged up, but missed).

I am looking for that shot of Sadie retrieving, and holding that big rooster!  Maybe next time .


It is watching the dogs work that I thoroughly enjoy, and love. I could get by with just watching them work - if it weren't for all the training, and the joy they exhibit when they pick-up, and deilver to hand a bird that they pointed, and you shot. - Todd
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02/06/2012 3:59 PM  
Ok. Got the Avatar figured out - had to log out and erase my Internet History and cookies...

It is watching the dogs work that I thoroughly enjoy, and love. I could get by with just watching them work - if it weren't for all the training, and the joy they exhibit when they pick-up, and deilver to hand a bird that they pointed, and you shot. - Todd
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02/08/2012 6:29 AM  
Does the preserve you go to plant or release?



"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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02/08/2012 1:19 PM  
How do you define the difference? I think I know what you are talking about, I just want to be sure I am properly answering the question.

It is watching the dogs work that I thoroughly enjoy, and love. I could get by with just watching them work - if it weren't for all the training, and the joy they exhibit when they pick-up, and deilver to hand a bird that they pointed, and you shot. - Todd
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02/08/2012 3:23 PM  
Most preserves take a bird,put it to sleep and stick it into cover so when it wakes up it stays there - not always the case, but they try.

Other places drive to the middle of the hunting area,open a box or 2 and allow the birds to exit on their own and then in about an hour or so pick up the box and you go out with your dog.

The reason I asked is b/c when I read your posts it sounds like the birds are released and can be anywhere. I like preserves like this, hard to find them tho.
They want the "hunter" to be pleased,esp when the preserve is using their own dogs

I can tell you, some preserves are pathetic - as you are hunting they are only one bird ahead of you, planting.

We have been searching for preserves around my neck of the woods and it's not as easy as one would think.





"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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02/10/2012 8:46 AM  

Yeah. That's what I thought you were meant. Both clubs I go to have more, or less of a hybrid form of those methods. This club (Coon Creek, www.cooncreekhuntclub.com) is a pre-pay (buy the birds before-hand). They do releases, but because birds are pre-bought, they dizzy the birds slightly (and I do mean slightly), and toss them into cover (so they fly occasionally, but not too far). They don't tuck them into the cover, and they don't (having seen some) spin them to the point that they are unconscious - just a quick shake. They do this well before they allow you in the field as well (30 - 45 minutes), so the birds are seldom where they were released - at least running, sometimes flying off. They also are able to spread them out while still keeping them in the field they were released in.

The other club I go to (McCullom Lake, www.mccullomlakehuntclub.com/) is a pay-what-you-take. This club takes a truck into the field with birds. Rules state that dogs get leashed, and there is no shooting when the truck is in the field. They open the cages, and shake them to get the birds out (which fly all over, seeding the fields). Once the truck leaves, hunting can resume.

I understand what you mean. We always, ALWAYS question when club-owned guide dogs are used. Seems to be a conflict of interest, and a lot of questions, since such a premium is paid - either extra birds are put out, or the guide knows where the birds are (planted birds). I have heard of guys going out to clubs, with a guide and dog, and by the end of the hunt even THEY knew where they would find birds... "wait a second - I'll bet there are birds over here in this bizzarr clump of cover in the middle of the clearing...". No need for a dog! Success is guaranteed!

Nah, at the club I go to - Coon Creek Hunt Club - success is definately not guaranteed... I wish they had more breaks to better hold the birds in the field I am hunting (tend to leave field if they are running - adminttedly a personal financially biased statement, I want to protect the investment in the birds I purchase ahead of time). Cover is very good though, and last week some of the other groups came up well short - 1/4 on one (no dog), and 4 of 8 (I think) on the another (hunting with a lab, I believe).


It is watching the dogs work that I thoroughly enjoy, and love. I could get by with just watching them work - if it weren't for all the training, and the joy they exhibit when they pick-up, and deilver to hand a bird that they pointed, and you shot. - Todd
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