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01/20/2012 3:01 PM  

We got our pup Jackson when he was 8 weeks old. Knowing he was a baby we didn't expect much out of him. We decided we would crate train him. He took to it geat, never whined unless he needed out, which wasn't often since we took him out offten.

Now he is close to 6 months, he whines constantly while in the crate. And recently started peeing in the crate. This is not like he was when younger. We take him out every 2-3 hours.(Wife stays home). 

The crate is a large one with a divider to give him enough room to turn around and lay down. We have also tried given him more room for comfort, either way it didn't matter to him.

He is not left in there all day, we get him out and play with him and let him spends hours outside playing with another dog we have outside.

Are we doing something wrong here or is there a better way to go about this? I have tried to have him loose in the house with supervision, but both times he has peed on the floor withing 30 minutes of being outside.

I love my dog and want him in the house but he is driving the fanily mad with whining all the time.(except at night when sleeping) What can I do?

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01/20/2012 8:16 PM  
I have heard that pups can regress significantly in potty training around the 5 to 6 month mark. We are having some issues ourselves that I was going to post about which prompted me to read yours.

In regard to Bella's kennel...we only gave her more space (more than enough to stand/turn around/lay down) after she was reliable not to potty...as if they have too much space they may resort to using one end for potty and sleeping on the other. She does well in kennel but only after we made it a happy place for her. She still gives small protest wimpers after about two minutes of the door being closed, but they do not last long and more just her sass I think.

To make it a happy place for her, we feed her in her kennel. Incorporate "kennel" in her training sessions (so she will go in and realize not every time means the door is closing behind her), she gets treats for going in willingly, and has a couple of safe chew toys in there to keep her occupied when she isn't sleeping (otherwise she resorts to chewing her bed). She will now go in on her own and nap in it with the door open. And lasts through the night without having to be let out.

Our issue is when she is out of her kennel, she is whining to go out every 20 - 30 minutes. I feel like at 4.5 months she can and should be able to hold her bladder more. She has never given us reliable indications she needs to go out, just wimpers, and since she can be a whiney baby at times (can't find the toy she wants, not getting enough attention, cat won't play...) we have to determine if it is to go out or just to protest something. If we assume it isn't to go out (since she was JUST out....she will resort to a squat and releasing just enough to make us say "NO" and usher her outside.

I have noticed it almost seems she is doing it more when she is bored and demanding attention. I'm not sure what is typical for being able to "hold it" for a 4.5 month old...but she runs errands with me and holds it in the car for maybe an hour...but doesn't seem to do this in the home.

It seems the past few days she is also whining less and just squatting right in front of us (she used to try and hide and squats if we didnt' respond soon enough because she knew it was not acceptable). I think it is too soon to regress for her... but wander if the SUPER frigid weather and horrible teething have something to do with it.
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01/20/2012 9:33 PM  

I have been wondering if he has been doing it because he does not want ot be in his crate. We try to make it a happy place for him but he would rather sit at my feet. I work from hom a couple days a week and he likes sitting in the office with me and can go hours without needing to go outside.

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01/20/2012 10:48 PM  
My guess is he knows your home and would rather be with you. If you really want him in the crate create a routine. You will have to bear the whining until he figures out you are not letting him out. That also means you can only let him out when he is quiet. I even make mine sit in the crate quietly while I open the door and they cannot charge out until I release them. They are also trained to go to their crate when I tell them kennel. Mine know that if they go to the kennel and are quiet the reward is they get to get out sooner. If he is peeing in the crate he probably isn't emptying his bladder completely. Young males can be bad about that. They love to save some in case they want to mark. So make sure he is really emptying him bladder before you crate him. I would also work up to a given amount of time in the crate. Start slowly and for a short time and progress to however long you want to leave him. When you let him out don't make a big deal and I wouldn't even make being with you during the day more fun. I work from home and my dogs are trained to go outside in the morning around 9 AM and stay out until dinner. If the weather is bad they get to stay in side, but in TX that doesn't happen all that often and usually not for a whole day. You just have to be consistent and firm in your routine. Dogs love routines.

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01/21/2012 10:13 AM  

I dont know if this is any help but we've had a setback with Keely's toilet training because she had a UTI. But what i did notice during that time (when she was squatting and dribbling every couple of minutes) is that they very quickly realise that when they are peeing and after they have peed they have your attention ie looking at them, moving them, talking to them, taking them outside, praising them when they do the right thing, even cleaning up after them.  I think Keely's problem was compounded by me reacting every time - even just getting up to clean after her, even though i did try to do that without looking at her or talking to her.

I do wonder sometimes (have experienced this with previous dogs also) whether they initially get the hang of toilet training, then they realise that toileting is a surefire way to get your attention and they take advantage for a while, causing them to revert back to previous toileting behaviour.  He may be peeing in the crate now because he knows it will get a reaction - good or bad.  Please dont get me wrong, i dont know much about crate training because i never really used a crate except just as a safe haven for sleeping in (i mean for the dog, not me ), but maybe going back to basics and starting him off in there for very short periods again, and maybe even re-assessing what his favourite games, toys, treats etc are and working on having him associate the crate with those things.

Good luck x


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