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11/03/2011 4:57 PM  

We've had Sophie since she was 8 weeks and shes now 15 weeks.  Shes a lucky girl because my husband works from home and so they keep each other company through the day.  But the problem is that we think we have a major dependency issue on our hands.  While she loves her crate, sleeps through the night in there, and happily runs in and out of it during the day with toys, she does not do well if we put her in her crate when she doesn't want to be in it. Whether we put her in and stay in the room, or leave the room but stay in the house, or leave the house all together, she screams non-stop.  Its hard to believe something that small can make sounds like that! Weve done the positive association with the crate thing, weve tried to only let her out when shes not screaming (hard when she barely stops to take a breath!), weve kept her in a crate only big enough for her to lay down, and weve tried waiting it out and nothing has worked. In fact, when we left her for a short while, she peed all over her bed. If shes tired enough she will sometimes fall asleep within a few minutes but otherwise she just gets more and more worked up.  We exercise her like crazy – shes getting at least 2-3 hours a day at the off leash dog park. I dont think thats the answer.  Does anyone have any advice or step by step instructions on how to deal with this?  We love being with her but right now we cant leave her alone ever without her having a melt down and peeing in her crate. 

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11/03/2011 6:30 PM  
I would suggest getting the video, Crate Games by Susan Garrett. Wonderful video for crate training whether you just want a dog that loves the crate of you want to compete beyond in obedience or agility.

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11/04/2011 3:24 AM  
She's an intelligent,sentient being.
She knows when an injustice is being done.LOL

Try having the crate near you,tell her "kennel",leave the door open and enforce "kennel" when she attempts to leave.
We had a GSP that was great with the kennel command - you'd say kennel,she'd go in, turn around and come right back to you.LOL.The command meant one thing for us and another for the dog.
Kennel is a command,like sit,down etc.
I find they take to it much quicker if they are taught with the door open.
Another way is to give the kennel command,close the door and leave the house for an hour or two. Do this every day and she will be adjusted within a week.



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11/09/2011 10:04 AM  
We had a similar issue with our now 1 year old GSP, Luna, when she was Sophie's age. Luna was in her crate for up to 4 hours at a time, and initially I'd say until she was 4 months she would whine as soon as we had her go in her kennel (which we did only at night or when we left the house). After just sticking with it, and practicing the "kennel" command she got the hang of it and would run in happily when we left the house and needed her to kennel up. During the day/evenings when we'd be home we'd always spend some time practicing her commands/tricks, and did this daily with the command "kennel" and "stay" once she was in with the kennel door open...then whatever release command you use, for us that was "ok", and she'd run back to us. She always got a kong or treat when she went in her kennel whether it was practicing or when we were actually leaving the house. I think what made the whole process more difficult and challenging for us was that we weren't very strict about her kennel being "her go to spot" for comfort....she was allowed to sleep in her own other bed from 6months on, allowed to go on our bed to snuggle in the mornings, and allowed on some furniture. All in all though, things have turned out great and the kennel works great when we need it to. Best of luck! Sophie is a cutie and I can't believe how much her face resembles Luna's when she was her age. Makes me miss that stage of puppyhood so much already :)
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11/09/2011 11:51 AM  
Thanks for the advice.

Texas Belle, I will look into that video.

Otherwise, it sounds like we need to work on the Kennel command and in general just keep working on extending the time. It's weird because she goes in her crate without complaint at bed time and goes in happily with toys throughout the day, especially when she's tired... but if we try to close the door, other than at bedtime, she loses her mind. So we'll use the command, pick a crate only treat, and work on it little by little. Thanks for giving me hope!
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11/29/2011 12:58 AM  

Consider for a moment that the crate isn't the actual issue here.  The issue may be your dog's feelings towards who's in charge.  

I believe some of this behavior stems from your doggie's belief that she is somewhat of the pack leader still.   Just keep enforcing that you make the decisions and she must obey, and soon she will realize that she only needs to follow and not be in charge.

The mentality of pack animals allows the alpha to wander wherever it pleases, and the pack stays or follows. The pack is not allowed to leave without the alpha though. When your pooch feels it is the alpha in the family (or in some part alpha-ish) it will see you leaving and have issues being stuck in the crate because it can no longer keep tabs on you. This is what causes separation anxiety.

Mine had sep. anxiety the fist 2 days she was home with me after I adopted her. Once I began leading her on walks, and teaching sit-stay-come and ENFORCING the boundaries and limitations I set for her, she became relaxed in me leaving the house or room, knowing that she no longer had the responsibility of caring for me because I was in charge. She is much happier as well.

Good luck! Be firm and consistent and she will love you for it! Trust me!

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