Texas Belle
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Cozzy171
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| 07/20/2011 9:26 AM |
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Thats great! Too bad AKC wont allow pointing breeds to participate in the Retriever tests. Could a pointing lab participate in a pointing dog hunt test though?
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pixie bee
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| 07/20/2011 12:15 PM |
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Pointing breeds can particiapte in these:
http://www.huntingretrieverclub.org/ |
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Dirtysailor
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| 07/20/2011 12:47 PM |
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Its the AKC's that put GSP's (heck they added the "P") under "pointing" breeds anyway so they could correct that because they did not have "versitile" in the book when the breed was brought under the umbrella and still don't now.
To not allow it would be just losing money for them and sending it to UKC as Pixie points out. Hopefully the dollar signs outweigh the politics.
I have no issue with pointing labs being in HT if they can do the work. They are in the same ring for conformation under sporting, AKC could do the same here. |
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Texas Belle
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| 07/20/2011 9:46 PM |
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The AKC is now recognizing that the versatile breeds were actually bred to do the pointing and retrieving. If they accept the request from the GSPCA the shorthairs will be able to participate in the Retriever Hunt Tests. I think the titles will be JH-R, SH-R, and MH-R.
I suspect that Labs are not considered a versatile breed as I believe they were bred to do just retrieving, so not sure even if the Lab Parent Club petitioned the AKC that they would be allowed to participate in the Pointing events. In any case, that is for the Lab folks to pursue. I am just happy that the GSPCA has gone to the effort to petition for the shorthairs. My dogs love doing the retrieving work and I will now hopefully have another performance event to compete in. |
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pixie bee
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| 07/21/2011 5:48 AM |
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Truthfully, I don't think many pointing dog owners would participate.
The testing/training demands strict adherence to obedience. SIT is the MOST important command to a retriever trainer. The superb handling needed to pass would be another turn-off and then there is the quiet factor. A single peep could get a dog disqualified.
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Trey
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| 07/21/2011 6:00 AM |
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I haven't been around any lab people to discuss the subject for a while, but used to train with quiet a few. The thought of a pointing lab (to be useful a flushing dog, or in this case a retriever being used as a flusher) has to have a hard charging flush, with not thought of slowing down, well, they didn't like it at all, and of couse lots of questions about where it was coming from. If feeling are the same with the breed club (parent club) I doubt they would ever petition it.
I do think it would be popular, I know a lot that would do it. I have competed with mine in nahra events, and know a lot of folks who do the ukc retriever tests. I trained at a retreiver club for a long time when I got my first gs.
Never had a problem with quiet at the line, all of my dogs know sit, and I think the false hood of not teaching them to sit is going away. Never had a problem with quiet on the line either. One of my older dogs would quietly whine if things took a long time, and always did it in the blind if a long time between action, but I could have stopped it had it been a problem. The one problem I did have at tests was releasing with a head tap, they didn't want me doing that. The didn't fail me for it in started (in fact the one day had the highest scores of the day) but told me if I moved up to started I would have to stop. |
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Texas Belle
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| 07/21/2011 7:48 AM |
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| I agree with Trey on the quiet and sit. I have never had issues with them being noisy or even making sound. I also teach sit from day one and never had a problem with that either. I know many shorthair owners who are excited about the possibility of this new retriever HT. I think, at least at the junior level, it will get allot of participation. |
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MOOSE1
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| 07/25/2011 7:39 AM |
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We are going to be running our dogs through the HRC program starting probably this fall. We will be doing the started first and then after we are done with Utility in NAVHDA move on. This is what we have been told to do from our NAVHDA trainers as they have said the intense amount of training needed for upper level of HRC could make the dogs duck search less than what they are looking for in the Utility area.
I will have to look more into the AKC part of this and see how similar it is to HRC. |
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pixie bee
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| 07/26/2011 12:10 PM |
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I looked into HRC a couple of years ago and still now and then. What holds me back is joining one more club,attending more testing events, the mantenance of all the training and the time and effort it all takes
and simply trying to get past the idea that it really may just not be worth it. I train the dogs to perform at the higher levels,how'd they fair at a test I don't know.
I had a major set back this spring - a real slap in the face from the dogs.
After entering numerous german tests and NAVHDA tests Bregon decided he wanted to be vocal and not heel. The issue arose, I believe, due to 3 factors
1)we didn't duck hunt last season
2) I did not maintain standards b/c of this
3)to save time I began training together as a pair - Bregon did not like the idea that Haiko could go first
This setback was not a bad thing - it let me know that the training was not good enough - it falls apart when I train as a pair - perfect when I train separatly.
We do everything as a pair now and we are just about where we were performing as singles.
When the weather cools down I plan on videoing (is that a word?) the training we do that would prepare a dog for HRC tests.
Some of the videos now show the preparation.
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Texas Belle
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| 07/26/2011 1:56 PM |
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| I can well believe the training slap from working as pairs. I learned that lesson long ago with my obedience training with Belle and Halo. I now mix individual training with pairs, triples and quads. My youngsters actually benefit too from training with Belle and Halo who are for the most part rock solid. I actually like hitting the bumps in the road with training as that gives me an opportunity to become a better trainer. |
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zodiakgsps
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| 07/31/2011 5:20 PM |
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| I would run them and hope it passes accepting the GSP. I have NO vocalizing issues on the line other than Jet cries AFTER released and that is perfectly acceptable. |
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Legallyblonde
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| 08/01/2011 11:32 AM |
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I've seen plenty of breeds at HRC events besides the usual suspects (labs, goldens, chessies, etc) but there are not a ton of GSP's or other versatile breeds. The last test I went to I was the only one with a pointing breed (I did see a Curly Coat and a Flat Coat though!) I think too few people are aware they can run their pointing breeds in it.
I personally had a lot of fun with it, and see it as good practice for retrieving, marking, etc. Ditto what Beth said....we won't be running beyond Started until we have completed UT in NAVHDA. I've never been to an AKC Retriever hunt test, but I hear HRC has a lot of differences. For example--handlers must wear all camo, no white sleeves, hats, etc. Do handlers shoot in AKC? Beyond Started, HRC handlers shoot.
HRC is a lot of fun, a lot of nice dogs are run it, and since there are a ton of clubs all over the country, it should be easy for anyone to find an event/club. I'd recommend it to any GSP owner! |
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kpwlee
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| 08/15/2011 11:55 AM |
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| just heard that weims and vizsla's are in so I would think GSP's are too |
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pixie bee
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| 08/15/2011 5:08 PM |
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Begining 9/1/11
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Texas Belle
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| 08/15/2011 5:39 PM |
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From the AKC minutes for August:
"German Shorthaired Pointers, German Wirehaired Pointers, Vizslas and Weimaraners -–
Eligibility for Retriever Hunting Tests.
The Board VOTED to approve a request made by the respective parent clubs to allow the
German Shorthaired Pointer, German Wirehaired Pointer, Vizsla and Weimaraner to enter the
Retriever Hunting Test. Titles earned by these breeds in Retriever Hunting Tests will be
designated with an “R” to differentiate the title from those earned in Pointing Breed Hunting
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zodiakgsps
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| 08/15/2011 9:35 PM |
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Woo-hooo!!! I will run. I like the idea to truly show-case a dogs versatility as it should be. (a GSPS versatility that is)
While there is No NAVHDA within 4 hrs of me, there are quite a few Retriever events, Ht"s and FT's, so I love the idea of running in retriever events!! |
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MOOSE1
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| 08/16/2011 11:52 AM |
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| Fantastic news! Time to start looking at the stuff for this and looking for retriever hunt tests! |
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pixie bee
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| 08/16/2011 12:23 PM |
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There is a ret HT in a few weeks and 20 min from our property, can't get better than that.
We will go to watch and see what it's like in real life.
I did a search on youtube and am confident in the dogs' ability to perform well at master, we just need to fine tune a little. Some of the retrieves can be challenging.
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pixie bee
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| 08/16/2011 12:47 PM |
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Does anyone plan of following a training program for these HTs?
If so, which one and if not - why not? |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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