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02/10/2011 10:07 PM  

What breeding would you look at, generally speaking, that might have a higher chance of throwing calmer dogs?  I know there is no absolute and that dogs are individuals, but are there genralities i.e. lines that aren't as "hot" as others?  I read about this occasionally, but I don't know enough about the breed to make an informed opinion.  I'm up in the air about owning another shorthair - they are truly awesome dogs, but they can be a handful.  Mine is old, but still a pistol. I love 'er, but...

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02/10/2011 11:45 PM  

What's the point in having a Ferrari without the horsepower? 

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02/11/2011 4:40 AM  
What do you mean by calm?
Genetics are not the only factor in a calm dog.
Shorthairs were bred to have a job.
When looking at a shorthair we have to consider the prey drive level, focus ability, intelligence, independence and cooperation bred into the litter.
When looking to buy a shorthair we need to consider training and activity - mental and physical. I have owned several GSPs and DKs and have not had a hyper one yet. I have "challenged" all my shorthairs mentally and physically.
I am more prone to believe hyperness is a learned behavior and can give several personal examples of why I lean this way.

NTD,
I agree with you - I LOVE watching a good dog work! There is a sense of confidence,power,focus,intelligence and a good dose of "I own this". Not to be confused with hyperness at all.

Francine


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02/11/2011 9:12 AM  

I would agree with pixie. I really would not describe GSPs as hyper, but instead would say they are high energy and as a sporting breed they definitely need a job. All that said though, I have 4 and they live in the house with me and are just as happy curled up on the sofa watching TV with me as they are out running a field. Also, GSPs are very smart dogs and I think the mental work is as important for them as the physical work. I do some level of training with all of my dogs every day and they also get exercise in their backyard every day. On weekends and some weekdays (when my job allows the time) they also get runs in fields or we hike or bike.

As to your question, I think the best way to assess would be to meet at least the mother and if you have access the dad too.  Also, when you call a breeder tell them what you are looking for in a pup and a good breeder will be able to tell you if his or her lines would fit your requirements.


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02/11/2011 11:29 AM  
Honestly it depends on what you want for calm. Are you meaning calm in the home but still have large range? Are you meaning calm for in the house and ranges close? What are you looking for.

I can 100% VOUCH for Thunderhead dogs having a VERY calm demeanor in the home yet know how to get the job done in the field. There are days I wonder if my Thunderhead bred shorthairs is really a shorthair he is SOOOO calm in the house. The rest of my shorthairs also are calm in the house but my Thunderhead bred boy is almost to the point of being lazy in the house he is so calm.

I do not consider any of my shorthairs to not be calm though. They all know in the house that they get a few minutes of wresting time then it is time to chill out chewing on a bone or laying on the couch. And I have three different bloodlines in my house so I feel it is more of a situation of how they are brought up.

We are often asked how much running and such we do with our dogs a day cause they are very high performence dogs in dock jumping. Our two biggest dock jumpers just lay around on the couch ALL day, get up to eat their food, Go out to potty, then back on the couch. In the summer they get on the dock at our house 1 x a day for about 15 practice jumps and that is it. No 2-4 mile walks or runs. We just have a 40x40 fenced in yard and they spen time outside during the summer months a bit more than winter months but nothing huge. And they ALL lounge around in the house.

Yes in the summer we are more active with them and will do some rollerblading and such but nothing major. This probably makes me sound like a horrible GSP owner! But our guys just know that in the house they are expected to be calm and respectful. Which is helpful with having a young child too. :0)

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02/11/2011 6:17 PM  

I mean calm around the house and yard.  In the field, I like horsepower, but I don't need a Ferrari - I just need a Volvo - enough style to get the job done, but not too much car for everyday commutes.  I hear a lot about "hot" bloodlines.  Well, what are they?  I want an everyday year-round dog.  What are the bloodlines to look at?  I like a closer ranging gsp - not a 30 yard dog, but not a 300 yard dog either.  Once i have a better idea of what certain bloodlines typically produce, I can make better decisions when researching breeders. 

Thanks!

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02/11/2011 7:46 PM  

What type of hunting do you plan to do with the dog and do you plan on training the dog yourself?

I can't recommend bloodlines but I will suggest to look for cooperation.

Breeders are salesmen.They all have the best product.

I own DKs and can recommend some breeders.
Here is a listing of upcoming litters:
http://www.nadkc.org/deutsch_kurzhaar_breedings.htm

The GSP owners can recommend GSPs - I have been out of GSPs for a few years and don't feel confident recommending breeders.


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02/11/2011 8:57 PM  

I plan to hunt the dog on upland and waterfowl, mainly upland.  I like watching the dog sort things out, so a closer-working dog is what I prefer. In real open country, I don't mind the dog stretching out a little and covering more ground.  I also like a moderate-paced dog - I'm not into field trials, but will work through NAVHDA to learn and train the dog.  This is to be my fourth dog - second gsp.  I need a good family dog above all else.  I don't know much about lines except some of the big names like Hege-Haus, Rawhide, Strativarius, etc. What i don't know is the type of breedings that are MOST LIKELY to throw the kind of dog that I want.

I've considered the griff route, since they fit the steroetype of what I'm describing, but I like gsps, so there's the dilemma. :)

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02/12/2011 6:23 AM  
Even if you plan on doing a little bit of waterfowling it would be good if the parents do this,too. Not all lines are water lovers, not all dogs have that search in them (and don't buy - "what you see on land you will see in water"), and not all dogs can sit still and be quiet. Granted, sitting still and being quiet is a learned behavior, but some dog just never get it. Best to start with the chips in your favor.
Check into the NAVHDA breeders. Go to a test or 2 and see if you like what's there.

Some lines are calm but "a lot of dog". This means they will have very high prey drive - Not for everyone.
Unfortunately, no one can really lead you to the perfect dog.


"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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02/12/2011 7:57 AM  
Where are you from? There are some very nice NAVHDA dogs out there. Some I have dealt with some I have not. But I would start by looking at NAVHDA focused breeders for what you are looking for. If someone were to ask me for a good recommendation for a dog that does it all type of NAVHDA breeder I would recommend Thunderhead GSP's in WI and Also Shooter's Shorthairs in MI. Those are the two I have worked with directly and they are wonderful people and know their dogs.

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02/17/2011 8:05 PM  
I agree with MOOSE1 i think SHOOTERS has a litter on the ground now from Jet and SONNY breeding .GREAT LINES , 1990,S Hillhaven Hustler With German Import They do hunt test N.a.v..d.h.a .akc showing and are navhda judges and all health checks (BEEN FAR EAST )
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02/18/2011 7:28 AM  
Been Far East- Last time I spoke with Lisa at Shooter's all her pups were already spoken for. :0) Thought yes she does have a litter on the ground right now! :0)

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Cody- GSP- AKC/CKC CH UKC UWP GRCH Legacyk n Estate Sunray Minor FDJ CGC Tested
Tucson-UJJ CH Legacyk FlwrCrk The Old Peublo
Rumor-UMJ URO1 GRCH BNJ Rumor Has It-RN RD CGC NA II


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11/12/2011 6:56 PM  
Do you mean as in a "calm dog". I think being calm is not more of genetics but of other factors like environment.

German Shorthaired Pointer training is something I need to put in my mind and heart to make it successful.
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