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11/22/2010 3:45 PM  

Ok so my Hubby had been hounding me constently about getting a German Shorthair Pointer pup to go hunting with ever since his last one died (way before we met). So about a month ago instead of paying out the wazoo for a perfect bred pointer, I went to the shelter and rescued one that needed a home. It was a pointer/lab mix 12 week old male. Brown and white, brown head, brown spots and alot of freckles on its body and legs. He fell in love and named him Copper.

Along with rescuing him we bought a brand new 6'x10'x20' outside kennel for him. Landlord wants no pets in the house. We have a decent sized fenced back yard (we do live in town).

 

Now puppy is 16 weeks old now....

I walk him about an hour in the morning around 7am, I take him to the dog park with me around 11-12 and when hubby first comes home from work at 3pm; he works on training in the back yard for about 15-20 minutes then takes him on another hour walk that evening.

Copper hates his kennel! He is already digging out, biting and pulling at the wire, learned how to use a corner of the kennel as a ladder to climb to the top, and barks/yelps/howls none stop!

So we figured we will have to make a concret slab so he cant dig out and a topper for the kennel so that he cant climb out. So currently, he is in the house which is aginst the landlords rules because he will get out within 30 minutes of putting him in the kennel and we dont have the money to update his kennel till tax time.

In the house he has his nose in the trash can, trys to get into his dogfood bag, jumps up on you 24-7, scrached the couch up by hopping up and down. Just a pain in the butt. You give him the command "NO" and you have to repeat yourself about a million times, while pushing him off of you or keeping him out of the trash ect ect... for him to finally get the point, listen and finally stop. Give him afew seconds and he has already found another annoying thing to do that drives you nuts and the list goes on.

So when we put him in his indoor kennel at night or so we can eat or something, he yaps and yaps and yaps and yaps and yaps some more! Will NOT quit no matter what! Will do it for hours on end and I have actually got little to no sleep at night because of his constent barking. Only time he is actually a good laid back puppy is after our walks and then he takes a 10-15 minute power nap and he is back running around getting into things.

Is this how Pointers are?? Constent energy around the clock? Should we take him for longer walks more than 2 times a day? should we bump it up to 1 1/2 hours 3 times a day? What about his manners in the house? The barking 100% of the time while he is in the kennel? My hubby loves this pup and when he is home he does all the care, training, corrections and walks that most pups only dream about. He takes him to a puppy class once a week, takes him to the lake to run his heart out at least 3 times a week on top of me taken him to the dog park  to run everyday... but yet it just dont seem to be enough to keep this dogs energy down.

I have owned alot of high spirited breeds and I know it takes not only physical excersise but also mental and working excersise to keep them happy; but there just dont seems to be enough hours in the day for this pup to be happy!

Should we get rid of him and break my hubbys heart?

We need some tips!!!

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11/22/2010 3:56 PM  
I'm sure everyone will give a lot of great tips, but for the trash cans, get something covered that he can't get into, for the dog food, get a storage bin that he can't get into, for the jumping (this takes work) tell him off and make him sit and calm down then give him a treat, if you don't want him on the the couch, again tell him off and reward him when he lays in his spot (rug, bed on the floor), and for the yapping, ignore him and he will realize it doesn't get him attention.
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11/22/2010 4:33 PM  
I agree with all of what erika said and would add, that the dog needs some obedience training and more than once a day. I would do 5 - 10 minutes at least 3 or 4 times a day. As for the naughty behaviors, get the covered trash and put the food where he can't get it. Then correct him when he misbehaves and give him an alternative. When he jumps on the sofa, tell him off and get him down and take him to his bed and offer him a treat and tell him good dog. He needs to know what he can and can't do and he is testing so be consistent and persistent. As for the barking I would get some bitter apple at your pet store and use it when he barks. It tastes nasty and won't hurt him and it will stop the barking. If he is in the kennel and barking what ever you do do not get him out until he stops barking. Wait and the moment he stops barking then get him out. Otherwise you are reinforcing the behavior. Remember he is a puppy and has to have consistency from both you and your husband. Good luck!!

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11/22/2010 4:34 PM  
And one more thing, be sure he has lots of his own toys to play with. It helps.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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11/22/2010 6:11 PM  
Hi and welcome.
try teaching manners. If you don't want it gotten into or eaten- hide it. Sounds like he has free roam - not ever in my house. If you can't keep a constant eye on him kennel him at those times or tie a leash to your foot.No wandering around unsupervised- a recipie for disaster. Don't let him demand attention or boss you around. I am guessing here - but it sounds like he has taken over? Reclaim what's yours and you will be a happier owner. Don't worry about hurting the dog's feelings,yada,yada,yada. Be firm, be tough, set the rule and bounderies. One thing that I know has helped us is don't correct AFTER you've had enough - correct the FIRST time and it won't snowball.
Welcome to puppyhood. Bet you can't wait till adolecsnece? What joy!

Francine


"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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11/22/2010 6:11 PM  

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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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11/23/2010 5:15 AM  
Everyone said basically what I was gonna say...you shouldn't have to keep saying "no"...you want to say it once and then make sure he gets down and goes to his bed...for in house training sometimes people will keep leash on the dog at all times for either keeping the dog by them at all times or so that you can make corrections quick and easy without chase...

you can buy treat puzzles or stuff kongs with peanut butter and treats and that will keep him busy at times...

For his outside kennel make sure there is stuff for him to do out there besides sit and wait...give him a sandbox to dig in and hide treats in there...buy some deer antlers for him to chew on...

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11/23/2010 7:30 AM  
Instead of tethering puppies to me (and I have a puppy right now) I use baby gates. When I go to a different room I call puppy (so get some training going) and we go to another room and I just shut the baby gate so they have to stay in the same room with me. I have also perfected over the years and with multiple GSP puppies the ability to watch/listen to the pup while I do whatever I need to do in that particular room. The only challenge is often the puppy wants to help me do whatever usually by grabbing something like the sheet when I am making a bed. Still that gives me an opportunity to train leave it. I also always carry treats or have a toy ready at hand to sub in for the thing I want them to leave. Good luck again.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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11/23/2010 10:38 AM  

Thanks for all the great advice! I will get some pictures of the little booger and post them so everyone can see him. I have afew baby gates that I use so he isn't all over the house, one for the kitchen and one leading into our hallway so he pretty much can only stay in the living room area where the family is a good deal of the time. We just now got back from the dog park and he fell asleep on the floor and i picked him up and put him in his kennel in the living room. He woke up while i put him in there but just did a cricle and laid down on his blanket !!!! I know he is just a puppy and I think I am going to take some time between his morning walk and taken him to the dog park and do a little training myself so that he gets 2 lessons per day; one with me and one with daddy in the afternoon.

He does have a kong ball but he dont like peanut butter too much. He has a malard duck toy that quacks like a duck that he loves to play with. Rope toy that he carrys around sometimes like a security blanket . We are going to get some more toys for him to play with. When he gets ahold of my shoes I will bop him on the nose and tell him leave it and I give him his duck to chew on instead. I really think he was taken from his momma too early; which i could be wrong because I am not really sure. But it seems he dont really know how to play nicely and sometimes bites way to hard  When that happens I find myself yelping like another pup and I ignore him for awhile so he gets the message. Is this what I should do? Also the dogs he plays with at the park are teaching him how to play and what not to do as far as getting too rough and stuff. He yelped all night in his kennel in the living room once again. The only time he stops is when you walk into the room and then you have about 15 seconds of him watching you and if you go by his kennel and dont let him out he starts barking again.... very flusterating. Well he is up now so I am going to go take him potty and give him his late lunch. Please let me know if anyone has anymore adivce to give me! Thanks again!!

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11/23/2010 11:43 AM  
I don't know how old your pup was when he was taken from his mother, but the typical age is 8 weeks. Allot depends too on how much the breeder does with the puppies. Mine get introduced to all kinds of things starting from the day they are born. I also add a crate into their whelping area when they are about 3 - 4 weeks old so they start getting used to sleeping in a crate even before they go to their forever home. If he has never been in a crate before then you need to make that crate a wonderful place for him. Start by feeding him in the crate, give him toys in his crate, etc. You might also try covering the crate when he goes to bed and leaving a radio on for him too.

As for the biting, what you are doing works, but I also will gently grab their lower jaw with my hand and press down on their tongue with my thumb and hold it until they pull back. I also tell them no bite. It takes some patience and persistence, but it does work. Remember your puppy is entering the time when he will lose his puppy teeth and get his adult teeth and they are just chewing machines at that time. They also will chew after their adult teeth come in for a couple of months until their adult teeth set in their jaw. So, get lots of stuff for your pup to chew on.

Can't wait to see pictures.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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11/23/2010 9:34 PM  

Never thought about feeding him in his kennel, that sounds like something I can try. I am going to take some pictures tomorrow and try and figure out how to post them on here. Thanks again for the great advice! Hope Copper gets some sleep tonight....so I can too!! Gosh, you think that pup would of lost his voice by now....

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11/24/2010 8:45 AM  
Have you tried ear plugs???

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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11/25/2010 9:28 AM  

Actually I have tried ear plugs   Helps a little but I am a very light sleeper and I still hear every peep he makes, ear plugs or not. Still trying to figure out how to post pictures of him... anyone know?

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11/25/2010 3:54 PM  

 Copper -  Here is a link to how to post photos:

www.shorthairs.net/GSPForum/tabid/220/forumid/2/postid/42164/view/topic/Default.aspx

It is a sticky post under General Discussion just for future reference.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato
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