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rdlehm
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| 09/06/2010 10:04 PM |
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Sorry the previous link didn't work.
Anyone can access by searching for PA Dept of Agriculture and clicking on Bureaus, Commissions & Councils. Select the Bureau of Dog Law Enforcement. Above the Programs, Publications etc you will see "Kennel inspections records are available online in the Kennel Inspection Database." There is an active link there. Input County: Lehigh and this particular kennel is located on page 2 near the bottom.
Your web browser must allow pop-ups for you to read the individual reports.
FYI SOS Kennel in Schuylkill County had an updated report and everything was satisfactory. Ugh!
Rayanne
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CathyYak
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From my experience those are nice people breeding good dogs, so what is the
problem? I don't get it.
Cathy
In a message dated 7/14/2010 2:40:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rdlehm@comcast.net writes:
FYI SOS Kennel in Schuylkill County had an updated report
and everything was satisfactory.
Ugh!
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Cathy Iacopelli
Claddagh Kennels
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ASKMEGSP
MH
Posts:184
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If I remember correctly there was a concern over the number of litters they breed in a year and the lack of health clearances.
Ann.
-----Original Message-----
From: CathyYak@aol.com
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:56 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Finding kennel inspection reports
From my experience those are nice people breeding good dogs, so what is the problem? I don't get it.
Cathy
In a message dated 7/14/2010 2:40:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rdlehm@comcast.net writes:
FYI SOS Kennel in Schuylkill County had an updated report and everything was satisfactory. Ugh!
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rdlehm
JH
Posts:29
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| 09/06/2010 10:06 PM |
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Personally, I don't think it is ethical to breed a bitch at her first heat cycle and continue to do so each heat cycle for years. If you research the dogs they have bred and the number of litters produced since they started in GSPs it is sickening. I have no basis on which to judge the quality of the dogs but do object to listing them on the website as holding the JH title when they have not completed the title. I won't even go into health clearances and stir that pot. But, this is my opinion.
Rayanne
----- Original Message -----
From: CathyYak@aol.com
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:56:05 PM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Finding kennel inspection reports
From my experience those are nice people breeding good dogs, so what is the
problem? I don't get it.
Cathy
In a message dated 7/14/2010 2:40:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rdlehm@comcast.net writes:
FYI SOS Kennel in Schuylkill County had an updated report and everything
was satisfactory. Ugh!
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CathyYak
MH
Posts:963
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| 09/06/2010 10:06 PM |
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A lot of people breed a lot of litters in a year, some
pretty influential people in our breed as a matter of fact. Pillars
of the community so to speak.
Me, you know I want pretty much the whole enchilada when it come to
clearances, But a lot of people (often hunter/field breeders) are
satisfied without. Or with only hips.
As you know, breeding or selling a lot of pups doesn't make you a bad
breeder or them bad or unhealthy pups. Breeding rarely also doesn't
make you a good breeder or your pups automatically better or healthier
either.
I am thinking that since these people were minding their own business,
breeding sound dogs that hunt well, and have now passed two inspections that
were the result of people alerting the authorities on them that they should
be left alone unless someone has a VALID complaint against them.
But that might just be me.
Cathy
In a message dated 7/14/2010 3:14:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
askmegsp@aol.com writes:
If I remember correctly there
was a concern over the number of litters they breed in a year and the
lack of health clearances.
Ann.
-----Original
Message----- From: CathyYak@aol.com To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net Sent:
Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:56 pm Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Finding kennel inspection
reports
From my experience those are nice people breeding good dogs, so what is
the problem? I don't get it.
Cathy
In a message dated 7/14/2010 2:40:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rdlehm@comcast.net writes:
FYI SOS Kennel in Schuylkill County had an updated
report and everything was satisfactory.
Ugh!
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Cathy Iacopelli
Claddagh Kennels
Long Island, New York |
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CathyYak
MH
Posts:963
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| 09/06/2010 10:06 PM |
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Ethics are a funny thing, being so subjective and all. I don't agree
with a lot of the things other people do, but until they break a law, or a
written rule, I don't see the point is harassing them. And
yes, knocking them on this public list even when they have passed the
inspections people here facilitated is IMO harassment.
And while I did meet them at a hunt test, they are not my friends and I
don't really know them. But I still don't like to see people who are not
in a position to defend themselves since they are not seeing what is written
being targeted. Again, that might just be me.
The fact that you are upset that they passed inspection is odd to me.
I would think you would be happy that their dogs are being well cared for.
Cathy
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Cathy Iacopelli
Claddagh Kennels
Long Island, New York |
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ASKMEGSP
MH
Posts:184
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| 09/06/2010 10:06 PM |
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I didn't join in this discussion the first time, but I'd like to ask a question here. Is advertising health clearances their dogs do not have and titles their dogs have not earned a VALID complaint ?
I am thinking that since these people were minding their own business, breeding sound dogs that hunt well, and have now passed two inspections that were the result of people alerting the authorities on them that they should be left alone unless someone has a VALID complaint against them.
-----Original Message-----
From: CathyYak@aol.com
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:25 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Finding kennel inspection reports
A lot of people breed a lot of litters in a year, some pretty influential people in our breed as a matter of fact. Pillars of the community so to speak.
Me, you know I want pretty much the whole enchilada when it come to clearances, But a lot of people (often hunter/field breeders) are satisfied without. Or with only hips.
As you know, breeding or selling a lot of pups doesn't make you a bad breeder or them bad or unhealthy pups. Breeding rarely also doesn't make you a good breeder or your pups automatically better or healthier either.
I am thinking that since these people were minding their own business, breeding sound dogs that hunt well, and have now passed two inspections that were the result of people alerting the authorities on them that they should be left alone unless someone has a VALID complaint against them.
But that might just be me.
Cathy
In a message dated 7/14/2010 3:14:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, askmegsp@aol.com writes:
If I remember correctly there was a concern over the number of litters they breed in a year and the lack of health clearances.
Ann.
-----Original Message-----
From: CathyYak@aol.com
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:56 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Finding kennel inspection reports
From my experience those are nice people breeding good dogs, so what is the problem? I don't get it.
Cathy
In a message dated 7/14/2010 2:40:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rdlehm@comcast.net writes:
FYI SOS Kennel in Schuylkill County had an updated report and everything was satisfactory. Ugh!
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warmrider
SH
Posts:48
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| 09/06/2010 10:08 PM |
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I think that is a valid complaint. The last time this all came up that seemed to be fraud. I don't agree with overbreeding a bitch but then you get into telling people what they can and can not do with their dogs and we don't want to go there. Many people spend time and money to title their dogs and to obtain health clearances. It is fraudulent to claim you have those things to sell puppies to buyers who may want those things.
Deborah Longtin
From: askmegsp@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 3:41 PM
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Finding kennel inspection reports
I didn't join in this discussion the first time, but I'd like to ask a question here. Is advertising health clearances their dogs do not have and titles their dogs have not earned a VALID complaint ?
I am thinking that since these people were minding their own business, breeding sound dogs that hunt well, and have now passed two inspections that were the result of people alerting the authorities on them that they should be left alone unless someone has a VALID complaint against them.
-----Original Message----- From: CathyYak@aol.com To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:25 pm Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Finding kennel inspection reports A lot of people breed a lot of litters in a year, some pretty influential people in our breed as a matter of fact. Pillars of the community so to speak. Me, you know I want pretty much the whole enchilada when it come to clearances, But a lot of people (often hunter/field breeders) are satisfied without. Or with only hips. As you know, breeding or selling a lot of pups doesn't make you a bad breeder or them bad or unhealthy pups. Breeding rarely also doesn't make you a good breeder or your pups automatically better or healthier either. I am thinking that since t
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CathyYak
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Posts:963
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| 09/06/2010 10:08 PM |
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If it is proven beyond any shadow of a doubt I might call it
a complaint.
But who would be the entity in charge of such things? There is no
such thing as web site police. Or Internet content verifiers. Who
would you complain to?
If they were on the GSPCA Breeder's list for example, then there would be
an entity to complain to, for what that would get you.
But if they claim an AKC title they don't have, and the AKC doesn't care,
then why bother? I am assuming that this was reported. Did AKC take
any action?
Unless someone is not the sleuth they think they are and they simply did
not find the correct info. I would be very careful before making that
accusation. I have found many a dog with a misspelt or mistaken AKC number
on the OFA and CERF web sites for example. And I have informed each
person who owned such a dog and yet not one was corrected.
And as an AKC hunt test secretary I have had people come to me (sometimes
years later) on four separate occasions because they passed at one of our
club's tests and AKC never credited them with the legs. I remember one
person in our club receiving an AKC Ch. certificate when another dog's major was
credited to theirs. They didn't give it back until the person who owned
the other dog found out and kicked up a stink. And another
person whose dog was sent a DC certificate who did not earn
it either. But it was proudly displayed on the wall of their home
until someone else turned them in to AKC for it. Just using these examples
to explain why I would want to be 100% positive before making such a charge in a
public forum, in case I was mistaken.
Again that might just be me. I verify my facts as much as I can
simply because I really hate to be wrong  .
Cathy
In a message dated 7/14/2010 3:51:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
askmegsp@aol.com writes:
I
didn't join in this discussion the first time, but I'd like to ask a question
here. Is advertising health clearances their dogs do not have and titles
their dogs have not earned a VALID complaint ?
I am thinking that since these people were minding their own business,
breeding sound dogs that hunt well, and have now passed two inspections that
were the result of people alerting the authorities on them that they
should be left alone unless someone has a VALID complaint against
them.
-----Original
Message----- From: CathyYak@aol.com To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net Sent:
Wed, Jul 14, 2010 3:25 pm Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Finding kennel inspection
reports
A lot of people breed a lot of litters in a year, some
pretty influential people in our boreed as a matter of fact.
Pillars of the community so to speak.
Me, you know I want pretty much the whole enchilada when it come to
clearances, But a lot of people (often hunter/field breeders) are
satisfied without. Or with only hips.
As you know, breeding or selling a lot of pups doesn't make you a bad
breeder or them bad or unhealthy pups. Breeding rarely also
doesn't make you a good breeder or your pups automatically better or healthier
either.
I am thinking that since these people were minding their own business,
breeding sound dogs that hunt well, and have now passed two inspections that
were the result of people alerting the authorities on them that they
should be left alone unless someone has a VALID complaint against them.
But that might just be me.
Cathy
In a message dated 7/14/2010 3:14:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, askmegsp@aol.com writes:
If I remember correctly there
was a concern over the number of litters they breed in a year and the
lack of health clearances.
Ann.
-----Original
Message----- From: CathyYak@aol.comTo: gsp-l@shorthairs.netSent: Wed,
Jul 14, 2010 2:56 pm Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Finding kennel inspection
reports
From my experience those are nice people breeding good dogs, so what is
the problem? I don't get it.
Cathy
In a message dated 7/14/2010 2:40:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rdlehm@comcast.net writes:
FYI SOS Kennel in Schuylkill County had an updated
report and everything was satisfactory.
Ugh!
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Cathy Iacopelli
Claddagh Kennels
Long Island, New York |
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CathyYak
MH
Posts:963
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| 09/06/2010 10:08 PM |
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In a message dated 7/14/2010 4:42:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
warmrider@gmail.com writes:
It is
fraudulent to claim you have those things to sell puppies to buyers who may
want those things.
If in fact there was fraud committed then they could be criminally
prosecuted, and should be. Do you know or a fact that there was fraud
committed? If so that would change things for me.
Cathy
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Cathy Iacopelli
Claddagh Kennels
Long Island, New York |
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warmrider
SH
Posts:48
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| 09/06/2010 10:08 PM |
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I don't know that fraudulent statements were made. I do know it is a heck of alot harder to not breed your bitches when you live with an in tact boy in the house. I am guessing that is why so many people backyard breed. I thought that the last time this came up someone went on AKC and said the JH titles were not earned. Now a JH should not be hard to put on a shorthair if you go to the events. My problem with breeders making false claims is that they can screw up someone who wants to participate in the sport. A personal example, my friend Barb has a great farm and it is home to several dogs. Her husband hunts and has even gone out west to do some great hunting. They bought and paid for a very cute gsp. That was advertised as AKC registered and champion hunting stock. Barb started bringing her to handling class and wanted to try showing. Pete is hunting her, but Barb learned the mother to her pup had a limited or restricted registration and should not have been bred. They love their puppy but were swindled. People don't give back dogs they are in love with and the show ring has one less participant. Barb should have checked and verified but she thinks people are honest. She learned the hard way. I think the AKC should look into reports of fraudulent titles etc. but doubt the do.
Deborah
From: CathyYak@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 4:57 PM
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Finding kennel inspection reports
In a message dated 7/14/2010 4:42:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, warmrider@gmail.com writes: It is fraudulent to claim you have those things to sell puppies to buyers who may want those things. If in fact there was fraud committed then they could be criminally prosecuted, and should be. Do you know or a fact that there was fraud committed? If so that would change things for me. Cathy
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