claire
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| 07/14/2010 10:30 AM |
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hiya troy is liver and white and is looking for his first female friend hes not a hunting dog but he does point when he sees something worth pointing at he very good with children of all sizes and very good with other dogs he has the most amazing temperment anyone could ask for in a dog troy is a great example of the german pointer breed and if you did pick troy the pups would come out beautiful and your little lady will be very pleased with you hope to hear from you
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pixie bee
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| 07/14/2010 10:44 AM |
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Hi and thanks for joining the forum.
Can you post a picture and more info? Does Troy have any health clearances,hip x-rays,conformation titles or points toward a title, his pedigree and age? Can you give more detail as to why he is a good example of the breed and why you beilieve he is worth breeding? Where are you located and what is your experience with the breed?
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Francine
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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claire
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| 07/14/2010 10:52 AM |
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| troy is not a hunting dog so we didnt have any of the test done and i got given him by someone that didnt want him and they lost the papers to his mum and dad and moved away and we can not contact him he is one years old and he looks that part everyone stops me whiles out walking with him to tell me hes handsome people have stoped me to take pictures of him and they cant believe that he not a working dog if you did pick troy you would just be shocked because he is a very handsome boy and because im new here how do you put pictures up? |
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claire
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| 07/14/2010 11:14 AM |
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| theres a picture of troy on my profile if anyone wants to look at him |
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pixie bee
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| 07/14/2010 11:35 AM |
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Hi Claire,
I see a very big problem with studding him - he has no papers.
Also, you can perform health tests even if you don't hunt test or conformation show him. Hip x-rays can be done at his young age by PennHip.
Good luck with your endeavor,
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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Texas Belle
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| 07/14/2010 12:11 PM |
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| As someone who breeds it is very important to me that the stud dog I choose is registered (with papers) and has at a minimum hips, elbows done, Cardiac clear and eyes CERF'd. I would also want to see the pedigree to compare to my bitches pedigree. The more information I have the better to make an educated and informed decision on whether or not to use a particular stud dog. Frankly, just because the public thinks the dog is a good example, does not necessarily make the dog good. I look at the form of the male, like front assembly and read assembly, topline, head carriage, tail set, etc. Finally, I want to know about the disposition and temperament of the dog. How does he do in hunting scenarios running with another dog? How does he do shopping in Petsmart? What about at home? Is he good with other animals? Is he good with kids? The list goes one, but you get the drift. I would expect most responsible breeders would be equally diligent when they are picking a dog to breed with their bitch. |
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DesertRoseKennel
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| 07/14/2010 7:28 PM |
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Please do not pursue breeding this dog. Take 5 minutes to look at all the unwanted, unregistered pretty GSPs in shelters across this country.
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claire
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| 07/15/2010 5:04 AM |
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if anyone wants to know anything about troy please ask the only thing that will put you off is tha fact is old onwer lost his papers but if you saw him in person you would be proud to breed him with your bitch |
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pixie bee
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| 07/15/2010 6:55 AM |
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I did ask, a bunch of questions.You didn't answer any.
Can you re-read my first post and shout out a few answers.
A hugh obstacle is that you don't know the pedigree - you see, knowing this info gives knowledgable people info aside from being handsome and good with kids. Which by the way are nice traits. There is something called phenotype and genotype.
There are many people who breed pet only and there's a good market for it.
People with a female will almost always want a papered male - they can charge more for the pups if they are registered.
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claire
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| 07/15/2010 8:39 AM |
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| sorry i went through the post quickly troy did have papers but his old owner lost them and i cant get in touch with him to get kennel names so i could have copy of the papers sent out so sorry about that i live in south wales with him hes one yrs and i know this sounds bad but im learning about the breed and what i've lernt so far has mad me want another one but i would want to have one of his sons that he has fartherd |
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DesertRoseKennel
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| 07/15/2010 10:53 AM |
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"but if you saw him in person you would be proud to breed him with your bitch"
I promise you I would not. My last litter was sired by our then-current National Amateur Champion. I have my own stud at home who is a Field Champion, Amateur Field Champion and Master Hunter, not to mention that he is registered, DNA-verified and OFA-certified. AND a beautiful male with a wonderful temperment. Not interested in your dog.
I'm truly not trying to sound snotty or condescending. But you do not have the experience needed to make the statement above. |
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pixie bee
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| 07/15/2010 11:10 AM |
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This thread brings up a good discussion.
While breeding known quality - conformation,ability,temp,etc - there is no money to be made. In breeding for the pet only market - with or w/o papers - there is a ton of money to be made.
So many of the users on this site have pet only dogs bred as such.
Does the pet only crowd really give a rats a@# about quality? When I see what some people own I cringe - but they're happy and so is their dog - as I'm sure the breeder is, also.
And anyway - is "quality" in the eye of the beholder? I am begining to think so.
A bit of a rant
Francine
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Texas Belle
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| 07/15/2010 11:59 AM |
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pixie -
I am going through discussions now with potential show and pet quality homes for Halo's upcoming litter. I have had more discussions with the pet homes and what they are looking for than with the show home folks. In some cases the pet homes are really knowledgeable and have done their homework and know what they want, and in some cases the pet homes are looking, but are unsure beyond the fact that they want a shorthair puppy. When I talk to the pet homes that have decided they want a shorthair puppy, then it is amazing to me how quickly the conversation turns into an educational call for that potential owner. The serious ones listen and I usually end up on the phone for a good 45 minutes to an hour, and in some cases end up on the phone more than once. The not so serious I usually loose after a few minutes (don't want them for a home for one of my puppies anyway). What I am getting at here is I think given the opportunity, the pet homes do really want a nice dog and are even willing to pay for a nice dog, but need the knowledge to understand why a nicely bred dog may have advantages over just any old pet puppy for sale.
So, to answer your question, yes the pet only crowd does care about quality when they understand what that quality means. They may still be happy with their dog that was bred from a puppy mill or they got at the shelter because let's face it dogs have a way of working their way into our hearts, but once they understand the difference they are pretty astute about what they are looking for in a dog. |
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pixie bee
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| 07/15/2010 2:09 PM |
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It's for sure a mixed bag.
When I look for a puppy I ask the most annoying questions (I admit it)- but I expect the breeder to be able to answer.
Show and pet quality can make a great hunting dog and companion. I know b/c we owned one. She wasn't the most beautiful - especially considering her lines - but boy could that girl hunt!
I would think people are knocking down your door.
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Texas Belle
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| 07/15/2010 2:31 PM |
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| I have a long list of prospects, but only a hand full have sent in the deposit. Still early though because the pups aren't due until 10 August. I really love the ones that I have firm commitments from. They have all had shorthairs in the past except for one who has boxers, some show homes, but mostly pet/hunting homes. I just want great forever homes for them. Seems like too the ones that have already sent in deposits are also turning into friends where we will stay in touch. That makes me happy because I will get pictures and updates on the puppies as they grow up. I expect to have all the puppies spoken for before Halo whelps. |
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EMack
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| 07/15/2010 3:24 PM |
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Hi There,
I thought you all might like a reply from a "pet only" owner. We lost our GSP in the Spring and have a 12 y.o. GSP/Husky. She misses her younger brother terribly (as do our cats!) and we are bringing a new puppy into our family soon. We conducted thorough research on our puppy for several reasons. 1) We believe 100% completely in supporting responsible breeders so that the GSP's we all love and cherish are healthy, of good sound temperment and come from a solid, appropriately supported, loving start in life. We cannot support puppy mills or other less diligent breeders. 2) Even though we do not have an interest in showing/hunting/competing etc., we still love this breed for the beautiful, willing, fit and loyal companions they are for an active family like ours. 3) It is extremely important to my husband and I that we select a breeder that is willing and happy to maintain contact with us for the duration of our dog's life, providing support, advice and even visits when possible. We have enjoyed this relationship with our late dog's breeder and would never purchase a dog from one who didn't express this ongoing interest in one of their dogs. 4) Finally, the cost is the last factor for us. It is all of the above that comes first in our decision making.
In short, we do care where our dogs come from and it is important to us that they have papers and a strong pedigree so that we can be informed when we make decisions.
Of course this is how we have chosen to bring our dogs into our lives, others may feel differently.
Emily
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EMack
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| 07/15/2010 3:49 PM |
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I must add an adendum to the above. We have a GSP/Husky cross, which seems to be contrary to the points I made. Every dog needs a loving forever home and we rescued her to provide such a home. The point I was making is that if everyone followed a responsible course when breeding/purchasing dogs, there would be drastically fewer dogs who need rescuing.
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been far east
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| 07/15/2010 5:34 PM |
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| TRUE STORY - My friend wanted a great dane ! I gave her info on good breeding lines .She called them and her husband talked her in to buying one out of the newspaper . He was a sweet puppy BUT AT 10 MONTHS HE COULD NOT RUN WITH MY GSPS .He ran with a bad hoppy gate . HE HAD ONE TESTCLE RETAIN INSIDE .He was from a breeder who wanted a puppy from his dog .Egore lived to be 5 years old ,was loved very much and died from cancer .We all want heathy best friends . Show ,pet , hunting or couch potato . DO THE HEATH CHECKS BEFORE YOU BREED AND DONT BREED IF YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT YOUR DOGS FAMILY HISTORY .I did not breed my first gsp . She had ofa excellent hips was pointed in the ring had a great top line was flashy liver ticked we were always told how nice looking she was , the best duck and goose hunter ,nothing got away from her BUT SHE WAS 26INCHES TALL. We loved her for 15/1/2 years THANKS BROOKSTONE KENNELS FOR GINGER . Buy from breeders who test thier dogs . PlLEASE DO NOT BREED YOUR DOG- JUST LOVE HIM .(been far east ) |
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DesertRoseKennel
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| 07/15/2010 6:01 PM |
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EMack - you are the type of "pet-only" buyer that I consider selling to, on rare occasion. Which is different than lots of field breeders. Keep doing what you're doing 
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gsp-fan
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| 07/16/2010 5:50 AM |
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When we decided to add a GSP to our home 6 yrs ago we ran into a wall with most of the breeders we talked to both because we were not hunting,show or field people we were nothing but a pet home. We were actually hung up on when I told them we wanted a pet. One breeder went as far to tell us he would rather cull his puppy than give it to a pet home. When we did finally find someone who would sell to us we were so excited - long story short our GSP has issues which we have worked long and hard to resolve and yes some of them come to find out are genetic.
I have had many discussions on other forums that pet homes understand the needs and requirements of owning bird dog some fall on deaf ears. Do I believe that all pet homes are right for a bird dog no it takes a certain type of person.
Not to offend breeders out there but not every puppy in your litter is cut out to do shows or trail why not give those of us that are dedicated to this breed a chance to own a awesome bred dog instead of having to go to a not so great breeder.
I will get off my soap box - all I ask is to give pet homes a listen when we call.
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