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04/18/2010 5:32 PM  
Found these links today Bird hunting in Sweden and Norway http://russianpointdogs.ning.com/video/film-ohota-s-legavymi-v http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc-PTg18q_w Jere
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04/18/2010 11:41 PM  
Funny, the people hunting on the Russian site are from southern Sweden. One of them is very successful with birddogs and the IS is famous in Sweden.
 
At first I thought they actually were Russians, surprised by the obviously western brand of shotgun, but then I heard the southern Swedish dialect and by and by recognised the dog handler :- ))
 
Good dog-work but as often is the case with pointing birddogs the delivery of the bird to hand does not work all the way "home".
 
On the you-tube Norwegian videos the dogs are not steady enough to be safely shot over....
 
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Subject: [working-gundog] Videos

Found these links today

Bird hunting in Sweden and Norway

http://russianpointdogs.ning.com/video/film-ohota-s-legavymi-v

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc-PTg18q_w

Jere

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04/19/2010 10:18 AM  

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On the you-tube Norwegian videos the dogs are not steady enough to be safely shot over....
 
It looked to me like the dog in the Norwegian video came very close to getting shot!
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04/19/2010 12:23 PM  
Yes, that is one comment I am planning to make. Gotta watch a few more times to get my thoughts solidified. The first retrieve was, uhh, well, "tentative." My impression was perhaps the deficiencies were a training issue - not so much lake of training, but the kind of training - the dog did not appear happy with close approach to the handler. Been there, done that myself. I suspect that might be Cj's take too, if he were still with us. Jere > ... but as often is the case with pointing birddogs the delivery of the > bird to hand does not work all the way "home". ... > Torsti > BORTA MED VINDENS KENNEL > "Ask not what your dog can do for you, > ask what you can do for your dog" > www.rospigan.net
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04/19/2010 12:42 PM  
I have meet Ingvar Rödsjö and his wife Tove a couple of times and hunt every autum on the same ground as in the movie in Norwey since my norwegian friends have their cottage next to Ingvars. He is very good with his dogs and all of them have been champions on the mountain trials. I think the camera make it look like he shoot very near the dogs but I think he would never take a risk with his dogs.
 
But that is just what I think Ler Uttryckssymbol
 
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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:31 PM
Subject: [working-gundog] Videos

Found these links today

Bird hunting in Sweden and Norway

http://russianpointdogs.ning.com/video/film-ohota-s-legavymi-v

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc-PTg18q_w

Jere

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04/19/2010 12:56 PM  
In a message dated 4/19/2010 3:13:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rospigan@brevet.nu writes:
I have meet Ingvar Rödsjö and his wife Tove a couple of times and hunt every autum on the same ground as in the movie in Norwey since my norwegian friends have their cottage next to Ingvars. He is very good with his dogs and all of them have been champions on the mountain trials. I think the camera make it look like he shoot very near the dogs but I think he would never take a risk with his dogs.
 
But that is just what I think Ler Uttryckssymbol
 
Look at the dogs reaction after that shot. It was close and it bothered that dog.
 
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04/20/2010 11:59 PM  
>>>The first retrieve was, uhh, well, "tentative."  My impression was perhaps the
deficiencies were a training issue - not so much lake of training, but the kind of
training  - the dog did not appear happy with close approach to the handler.

Been there, done that myself.  I suspect that might be Cj's take too, if he were
still with us.

Jere>>
 
The sloppy delivery is more or less a standard among the Scandinavian setters ( I do not know the pointers enough to have an opinion). Our late Sunnie, that came to be only 6 months old, was a very rare exception. She had a for setters very unusual will to please (co-operation) and would have made wonderful deliveries in the future, had she been permitted to live on.
 
With the new puppy Larka we are back to the Scandinavian basics. I do not think we can depend much on cooperation here but force fetch will be the name of the game and that does rarely produce "happy like a spaniel" - like deliveries. The delivery might be technically proper but if you study the eyes of some setters you will see that the dog thinks something like a war hardened soldier might think when he for some unexpected reason has to guide a bunch of rich and spoiled New York ladies through a modern art gallery; I HATE this crap!
 
The unsteadiness at flush is a much more serious thing. Most dogs are trained to be "just"  steady at flush when the hunting is relaxed. The vicinity of a video-camera might be enough to put so much strain (performance anxiety) on the handler so that the dog senses it also, gets tensed and bolts at flush. And since there are no re-takes in the mountains, that is what you have to show if you want to show something. So as always: If you want the handler and dog perform well in a certain situation - train for that situation!
 
We photograph a lot of dogs and some for photography untrained combinations of dog and handler are totally impossible to get a reasonably good photo of. Not before the dog and handler are entirely used to the vicinity of a camera, and no longer take a notice of it, will you get the best pictures.
 
Torsti

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ask what you can do for your dog"
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04/21/2010 12:06 AM  
Isn't interesting that a dog might be camera shy??? One of mine was - exceptionally so' I found that - at least in posed shots - one might "perk" the dog up by having a helper with a bird to wave behind the cameraman. Jere > We photograph a lot of dogs and some for photography untrained combinations of dog > and handler are totally impossible to get a reasonably good photo of. Not before > the dog and handler are entirely used to the vicinity of a camera, and no longer > take a notice of it, will you get the best pictures. > > Torsti
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04/21/2010 1:43 PM  
>>>Isn't interesting that a dog might be camera shy???  One of mine was -
exceptionally so'

I found that - at least in posed shots - one might "perk" the dog up by having a
helper  with a bird to wave behind the cameraman.

Jere>>>
 
 
Yes, sometimes we have to do something similar when the dog looks like it was about to be neutred or to face other equally humiliating treatment :- ))
 
BTW do you remember the stuff about genes in laboratory-mice that can be activated or deactivated depending of the environment they live in, that you sent me the winter 2006/2007? Now they have long scientific programs in the telly about the same subject - in humans!
 
I have also taken up the subject in our gundog obedience classes. "What you do to your dog, or expose it to today, might affect its progeny for several generations to come!"  I am not sure the classes yet realise the full potential of this activation/deactivation of genes, neither do I, but I am sure that this will be a big subject in the future.
 
Torsti
 
 
BORTA MED VINDENS KENNEL
"Ask not what your dog can do for you,
ask what you can do for your dog"
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