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easyedwin
Birmingham, AL
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| 02/02/2010 11:13 AM |
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Anyone have suggestions on teaching Whoa? We have the sit, down, (stay) and NO down. We are challenged with shoa. |
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erikacarrillo
La Honda, CA
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| 02/02/2010 1:04 PM |
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| I talked to my trainer about whoa. She showed me to walk with the dog then stop, put your hand in front of their face, say whoa, then continue. We haven't worked too much on it either, but we have worked on wait, which is the same idea I think. |
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List_House
Midland, Pa (western, Pa)
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| 02/10/2010 4:48 AM |
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| I started with heel on leash, walk and stop and say whoa, once the stop and stand, then start moving out in front of them holding the leash. When they move you correct with quick snap of the collar and make them stand there. I was able to walk 30-40' away within a few days. By the way this is how they show you to do it on perfect start. Don't want to claim it as my Idea! |
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TessaGA
Georgia
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| 02/23/2010 2:29 PM |
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I started Tessa on whoa from the beginning, using it in the park, field, at home (before dinner, going through a door). She took to it right away, much better than the sit. Of course, that is just puppy stuff. There are many methods of teaching a solid whoa using whoa tables, check cords, whoa crates or boards and barrels. I have used a whoa board and check cords but not as often as I should.
Instead, I did like Erika said, telling the dog "whoa" during a walk, dropping the leash and walking on (in a safe area of course). Now, when she freezes up and sees a bird or squirrel, I also tell her "whoa", walk up to her, walk out towards the prey, walk back to her. Finally, in the park, I tempt her with tennis balls throwing or kicking them right in front. It still is not as heavy a distraction that birds would be (for her) but it's a good distraction. I step over her, touch her, or pretent to kick things up in front of her.
We are also on working on the whoa from afar but I think this is where a check-cord set up comes in handy. Not quite there yet. But when I see her standing still, a distance from me, sometimes I tell her to whoa and walk up her, then release her.
If she breaks a whoa I don't say anything, instead, I go to her, pick her up and carry her back to the exact same spot. I don't repeat the command.
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Rugergundog
Saginaw Michigan USA
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| 02/23/2010 5:05 PM |
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I did the whoa while walking at heal thing with a half hitch around his waist for the summer.
I put the dogs on a whoa barrel. My GSP got the idea in 5 minutes on the barrel.
Transitioned over time to use of the EC to stop him from a full run. |
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pixie bee
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| 02/23/2010 8:18 PM |
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The methods posted all work. proofing becomes a bit more fustrating. Having a dog whoa for 15 minutes is a toughy. Stopping at a distance,tossing game,watching game walk underneath them,having to not move their feet all good ways to proof. It's one thing to get the dog to understand,it's another thing to get the dog to undersatnd the extent of the meaning.
I look at whoa training as a chore,boring. My least favorite part of training. I think the dogs pick upon this.
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TessaGA
Georgia
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| 02/24/2010 7:07 AM |
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I look at whoa training as a chore,boring. My least favorite part of training. I think the dogs pick upon this.
Funny, it's one of my favorites, and I too think she picks up on that  |
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pixie bee
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| 02/24/2010 7:41 AM |
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UGH!
Have you ever had a dog on whoa for 15 minutes , standing there just waiting for the dog to move so you can correct. It's down right boring. 15 minutes feels like an hour. Short term whoaing is much more fun. I enjoy (a little more)the steady to throw,steady to flush,steady to shot,steady to birds walking around, these tho are only for a minute or so. Before the dog gets fidgety they are released.
A nice way to train steady to throw and work on directional casts is baseball. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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TessaGA
Georgia
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| 02/24/2010 12:16 PM |
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| Take a camera and use the 15 minutes to take some nice pics of the dog beautifully standing in a field |
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jlp8cornell
Ithaca NY
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| 02/25/2010 10:36 AM |
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| Speaking of that Tessa--your pics are gorgeous! |
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Rugergundog
Saginaw Michigan USA
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| 03/03/2010 6:15 PM |
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| I agree the whoa training is becoming booooooring now that the command is basically understood and im just waiting for cheating. Im still working the steady on the flush though as that temptation gets my guy quite a lot still |
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Texas Belle
Austin, TX
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pixie bee
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| 03/04/2010 5:02 AM |
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If you constantly engage the dog it will not be boring. I don't want to constantly engage the dog. In the field there are numerous times the dog goes on point out of sight and they are left to their own devices or I am doing something else and they have to wait. Engaging the dog keeps the dog busy and they can see you,our presence is a ,sort of, command.
My ultimate test of my dogs is to whoa or down them in the woods, walk away,front or behind, so they can't see me,I usually walk about 30 paces or so, I fire a shot,wait about 30 seconds and fire another.
Then walk back and heel off. I am going to add 1 more dastardly distraction. I am going to have a rabbit or bird released during thisprocess.
Oh, I sooo mean.
Francine
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Texas Belle
Austin, TX
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| 03/04/2010 8:16 AM |
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| Fracine - That is what I mean by trying to get the dog to break. It isn't always about being in front of the dog and engaging them directly. I train for both the hunting whoa where I am not in sight and also for the obedience long sits and down where I have to leave the ring and the dog has to sit for 3 mintues and down for 5. That is a different distraction than field because it is usually noisy with other dogs and people around, kids eating at ringside next to the dogs, competition going on in the next ring with dogs jumping and retrieving, people dropping fencing, etc. And sometimes when the competition runs late it can be dead silence with no one but a stranger (the judge) watching the dogs. So, I try to get really creative and that is why sometimes I enlist a friend to help too. |
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pixie bee
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| 03/04/2010 9:52 AM |
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Ring side distractions are tough.I have found out that the best dogs are the dogs who would rather be a part of what I am doing rather then what's around them.That came out wrong,but I think you guys know what I mean.
So much depends on luck the day you perform. You can not prepare for everything. I know hope isn't a plan but sometimes
IT'S ALL YOU HAVE
Francine
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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Texas Belle
Austin, TX
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| 03/04/2010 11:52 AM |
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My girls are pretty good as they have learned to focus on me and trust that I am coming back. They are also pretty immune to the show environment now just because they have been exposed so much. Still there is always that one thing you never thought of to proof against. Ringo isn't bothered by much either, but he is just so curious and his focus is not there yet. Still has some growing up to do. That said he is way ahead of where the girls were at this point with heeling. He has blown me away with that and the recall. He had a solid recall by 8 months and he always comes enthusiastically even when called off a bird or something really interesting. He is so funny when we finish the course in the hunt test or just finish field work. I will call him and he will give one look at the field, and visibly take a breath like he is sighing and then head my direction. He really hates to stop, but he does.
Each dog is different and they never cease to amaze me. |
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TessaGA
Georgia
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| 03/16/2010 7:33 AM |
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Okay, so maybe it's not a good idea to take photos of your dog while waiting out the 15-minute whoa...didn't know my little sneak tried to break it until I saw this on my monitor. Meaning, better keep a close eye on what the dog is doing rather than operating a camera
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| 03/19/2010 5:43 AM |
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I do not use ecollar for Whoa. I put a regular dog collar around their rear for a handle to set back and 6 ft lead on neck. Pull front lead back saying Whoa and gradually keep moving around front. Any movement foreward just reset them with rear collar til they understand. I do not do 15 minute Whoas, I try to keep dog fresh and happy. I release them with OK and happy talk so they look foreward to it... |
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pixie bee
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| 03/02/2011 1:08 PM |
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I want to revisit this thread for some help.
I want advice on tranfering steadiness to the field on planted birds.
All foundation work is in place.
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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clicklbd
SE PA
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| 03/02/2011 4:04 PM |
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I'm afraid I don't have suggestions for Pixie, but I can tell you I train "wait" which is what you are calling whoa from the get go. My trainer is big on making dogs sit or down, but I like to just teach wait/whoa as a measure of politeness. I did once accidentally tell my sussex to wait at the door. I went to the supermarket and came home 45 minutes later, and my now-ex husband said, "that dog has been waiting for you since you left. I called and called, and he wouldn't come!" Oops. my bad. But he had it down!
It's a handy thing for pet (non-hunting) people to know how to teach, because it comes in handy when you don't want your dog to have something. Instead of telling them to come to you when maybe they have to cross glass or a busy road or chemicals or something, you can tell them to wait/whoa, and then you can figure out what you want to do next. I once used it to make my dog freeze when a lightbulb broke on the ground and there was glass everywhere.
I can imagine working it with a hunting GSP is a whole 'nother can of worms. 
In answer to the question of how I teach it, I do it where there is no choice. Waiting at the door (I won't open it all the way unless you stay still) or in a crate (the door doesn't stay open unless you stay until I release you.)
This is not the same as a sit-stay or a down-stay, as I teach the stay as part of the cue...if you sit, you stay until I release you. It's not an option.
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