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MelB
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| 10/29/2009 9:56 AM |
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when do you all take your puppies off puppy food? I'm thinking of taking Xara off the puppy and putting her on the adult Eagle Pack this coming week. She's 4 months old now and I usually do take mine off puppy food between now and 6 months depending on how they are doing.
Xara is doing great, growing like she should, holding a great weight and is all over healthy as a horse. She's on Eagle Pack puppy now, and would transition to the adult formula of the same food. |
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pvstks
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| 10/29/2009 11:08 AM |
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No dobut you're going to get a lot of responses to your post with differing opinions. There have been many posts regarding this topic in the past and all have created a stir. Why don't I fire the first shot:
Remember everyone, these are just my OPINIONS: 
First, any puppy that will have a full grown (healthy) weight in excess of 50 lbs. should be fed a high-quality LARGE BREED puppy food to ensure that they are getting the high-quality protein, restricted calories from fat and the proper levels of calcium. That being said, I think that until the puppy reaches adult height (around 8 - 9 months) I wouldn't even think of taking them of the large breed puppy food. I will not take my puppy off of his current food until he is around a year old. |
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FrancisMcGee Ann Arbor, MI
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| 10/29/2009 12:01 PM |
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I would have to second the opinion of the above poster. My pup just turned one today and I have just started changing over to an adult food. This was the recommendation of our breeder, our vet, and friends/acquaintences with sporting dogs.
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pvstks
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| 10/29/2009 12:04 PM |
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Posted By FrancisMcGee on 10/29/2009 12:01 PM
I would have to second the opinion of the above poster. My pup just turned one today and I have just started changing over to an adult food. This was the recommendation of our breeder, our vet, and friends/acquaintences with sporting dogs.
Happy Birthday!!!
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bravepoint North Gower, ON Canada
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| 10/29/2009 2:30 PM |
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I have always switched to adult food at 6 months and recommend that all my puppy buyers do the same. My vet is the one who suggested this transition age. We don't feed large breed either.
We're in Canada and feed Acana. It's Canadian made. My youngest Ryane is 15 months and is on the thin side. She gets the Sport and Agility formulation. My others between 7 and 12 years are fed regular adult.
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Gail, Moka, Avery, Terra & Rayne Bravepoint GSPs
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Kerplunk105 Bucks County, PA
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| 10/29/2009 2:36 PM |
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| I think dog food is one of the biggest difference in opinions..I would never have had her on puppy to begin with. Would have gone on adult or an all life stages food. That being said, I would switch her now to adult... |
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Splat Illinois (Northern)
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| 10/29/2009 3:55 PM |
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I'm interested in why always adult or all stages? Actually with the horses we have had we have gone from nursing straight to what the adult horses get so I can see doing that with dogs too, just I usually only have one dog so I am buying food specific for that dog (so as a pup I get the puppy food and as an adult the adult food), but with the horses we have several so we buy the feed that suits them all...though now that we have some senior horses they are getting a senior feed opposed to what the younger and mid aged ones are getting. I have never been a huge dog knowledgeable person, but have always had a dog for a pet...just always put them on a puppy food (a good brand with the right ingredients, it's been a different brand depending on where I was living for the dogs I have owned) till a year old and then switch to that brand's adult food. I could see switching at the 7-9 month age since that is when they get to their full height. I think the most important part is to feed a quality food and the right amount. |
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MelB
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| 10/29/2009 5:12 PM |
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hmm ok, well I guess then this is going to be a question for the vet to answer. I know the Eagle Pack I feed is not all life stages, but perhaps I can find one that is in their line. I'll have to look into it. Thanks for all the input. I know its a personal decision many times but was just wondering what the trend is on the board. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 10/29/2009 7:17 PM |
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| I switch at different times depending on how the dog is doing on puppy. Ringo got switched the earliest to adult, but the puppy foods just weren't doing it for him. I couldn't find anything that really stuck to his ribs and that he would eat. As soon as I switched him (at 5 months) to what the girls were eating I saw a huge difference. Belle was probably almost a year when I switched her and Halo was about 6 months. I couldn't keep weight on Halo with puppy food and when I switched to adult she did allot better too. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
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auwallace Mobile, AL
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| 10/30/2009 6:38 AM |
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what i gather from the discussion is that it isn't a life and death decision. people will have their opinions on when you should or should not switch, but i wouldn't stress over it. |
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pixie bee
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| 10/30/2009 7:05 AM |
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In the end, you will use the food that works best for the dog. It may be a totally unexpected food. Personally, I don't think a 50-60lb fine boned GSP is a large breed. Not that your dog is this type. But GSPs come in different bone,heights and body types. it would not be fair to clump them all together. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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Splat Illinois (Northern)
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| 10/30/2009 11:27 AM |
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| When I think large dog I think St. Bernard, Great Dane, Mastiff ect...though so many people see my GSP (4 months old now) and say "He is going to be a big dog!" |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 10/30/2009 11:53 AM |
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| I too do not consider the GSP to be a large breed dog. As Splat said a large breed is a Saint, Newfie, Mastiff, Great Dane, Pyrenees, Greater Swiss Mountain Dog, etc. These dogs easily dwarf even a larger GSP both in size and weight. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
  
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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pvstks
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| 10/30/2009 12:21 PM |
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Just going by what the AVMA defines as large breed -- > 55 lb. adult weight (I think I cited 50 lbs in my original post). Wolfgang's dad was 70 lbs and his mother just north of 60 (around 62). |
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pixie bee
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| 10/30/2009 1:17 PM |
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pvstks, what is the benefit of lower calroies from fat?And is a Large Breed food a guantantee that there is high quality protien? I don't feed Large Breed food, and aren't aware why it is better. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 10/30/2009 1:41 PM |
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| So you have to look at size of the dog, activity level, what the dog does on a daily basis, the weather (hot, cold), and various other variables. Then look at what the manufacturer of the food says. What is their definition of large breed and what types of breeds are they targeting with their food? What the AVMA says really has nothing to do with a particular food unless the manufacturer of the food states that their definition of large breed is the same as the AVMA. I know there are also some foods that target very specific breeds or types of dogs, like the sight hounds (greyhounds, salukis, etc.), performance dogs (dogs used heavily for hunting, agility, lure coarsing, etc.), and so on. Think about a Newfie that is used for water rescue. That is a large breed, living in a cold climate and going into cold water for rescues and training. They could also be considered high performance, but not in the same way as say a greyhound. So, I think what you really have to do is evaluate what your dog needs and find a food that agrees with your dog. You can tell if the food agrees by looking at their weight, coat, eyes, energy level, etc. With food no one size fits all. I rarely look at the label on the front, but I do look at the food content/ingredients label. Also remember there is marketing spin on all the dog food as the manufactures have one goal, to sell more and make money and dog owners are very susceptible to advertising. Is that large breed food really better than an adult all life stages? What is the real difference? In some cases, it may be nothing more than the packaging and labeling. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
  
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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bravepoint North Gower, ON Canada
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| 10/30/2009 2:45 PM |
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Well said, Texas Belle! There's no "one size fits all" in dog food. Theoretically, my older dogs at 10 1/2 and 11 1/2 years should be eating a Senior food but because of their activity level, I have them on an adult food. They look great, nice coats, good energy level. Gail |
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Gail, Moka, Avery, Terra & Rayne Bravepoint GSPs
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pixie bee
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| 10/30/2009 3:14 PM |
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| I believe that moderate protien,higher fat is what all dogs need,esp dogs that expend larger amounts energy.I believe the fat is utilied better then carbs and helps prevent cancer. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 10/30/2009 3:28 PM |
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pixie - I agree. Seems to work well for my dogs anyway. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
  
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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pvstks
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| 10/30/2009 5:32 PM |
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Okay, I knew this would happen... Let me first say the Bev & Pixie are far more versed in raising GSPs than I am & I totally respect them. Wolfgang is my first GSP, but certainly not my first dog (he's my 6th). Until my previous dog (a wonderful Shar Pei named Murray who lived a healthy life of 13 years) I didn't quite understand the imporance of quality foods and fed my dogs "lower quality" foods that were not the worst, but certainly not the best and readily available at an inexpensive price at Petsmart or Petco. Only in Murray's senior years did I start reading about the topic of canine nutrition. I agree with Pixie that all large breed puppy foods are not better than, say, an all life stages food. I currently feed Innova LB Puppy and will be switching to TOTW High Prarie Formula in a few months. Are they the best? Probably not, but they are the best that I can reasonably afford. This is one of the best resources that I have found that explains things in a simple manner and seems to make sense to me give my understanding of human anatomy and physiology: http://www.newmanveterinary.com/large.html.
All that being said, I stopped in to the place where I buy my dog food and discussed this issue with Toni, the owner (www.healthypetproducts.net/index.html) and she simply said: "Paul, you're going to drive yourself nuts!" She agreed that puppy food, large breed or not, should be maintained until around 6 - 9 months for most dogs or feeding an ALS food is nearly as good in most cases.
So, if I've offended anyone, I'm sorry -- I was merely stating my opinion and will be switching Wolfgang to TOTW adult @ about 9 months instead of a year.  |
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