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danelle

JH
Posts:28

10/18/2009 7:24 AM
Hi all, Does anyone here have any experience with canine vestibular disease? Our 12 year old girl, Poppy, had what we thought was a stroke last week -- she couldn't stand up or walk, was dizzy, vomiting, had nystagmus, head tilt, all very scary -- and we rushed her to the vet and were told it was likely an episode of canine vestibular disease (common in old dogs, due to an inner ear thing) and that it would likely resolve quickly. It did -- within hours, leaving her "as good as new." The vet doubted it would recur, but tonight, Poppy had another episode, albeit a milder one, straight "out of the blue." She had been perfectly fine for days. I'm worried sick about her ... is it "normal" for this condition to recur? Does anyone have any thoughts on it? Or, any experience with it? Many thanks, -- Danelle Unsubscribing: To unsubscribe from the list, send an email message in PLAIN TEXT to gsp-l-request@web.whc.net with message text of "unsubscribe gsp-l you@email.add" (replace the email address with yours, don't include the quotes and note it is a lower case L after the dash in gsp-l).

ASKMEGSP

MH
Posts:184

10/18/2009 7:24 AM
My old guy Tucker had several boughts of it. He recovered fully after each one. Ann Olde Ridge -----Original Message----- From: Danelle Gatcombe To: gsp-l@web.whc.net Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 12:28 am Subject: [gsp-l] Canine Vestibular Disease Hi all, Does anyone here have any experience with canine vestibular disease? Our 12 year old girl, Poppy, had what we thought was a stroke last week -- she couldn't stand up or walk, was dizzy, vomiting, had nystagmus, head tilt, all very scary -- and we rushed her to the vet and were told it was likely an episode of canine vestibular disease (common in old dogs, due to an inner ear thing) and that it would likely resolve quickly. It did -- within hours, leaving her "as good as new." The vet doubted it would recur, but tonight, Poppy had another episode, albeit a milder one, straight "out of the blue." She had been perfectly fine for days. I'm worried sick about her ... is it "normal" for this condition to recur? Does anyone have any thoughts on it? Or, any experience with it? Many thanks, -- Danelle Unsubscribing: To unsubscribe from the list, send an email message in PLAIN TEXT to gsp-l-request@web.whc.net with message text of "unsubscribe gsp-l you@email.add" (replace the email address with yours, don't include the quotes and note it is a lower case L after the dash in gsp-l).

knlgaede

MH
Posts:118

10/18/2009 7:24 AM

Our boy Thrasher had several episodes throughout his life and he fully recovered after each one. We took him to a Vet teaching hospital where they ran extensive testing. He did not have any episodes after age 13 and lived to be almost 17.

Edelmarke GSPs
Kevin & Lisa Gaede
http://edelmarkegsp.com
"Until one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains unawakened"

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Danelle Gatcombe wrote:

From: Danelle Gatcombe
Subject: [gsp-l] Canine Vestibular Disease
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 9:28 PM

Hi all,

Does anyone here have any experience with canine vestibular disease?
Our 12 year old girl, Poppy, had what we thought was a stroke last
week -- she couldn't stand up or walk, was dizzy, vomiting, had
nystagmus, head tilt, all very scary -- and we rushed her to the vet
and were told it was likely an episode of canine vestibular disease
(common in old dogs, due to an inner ear thing) and that it would
likely resolve quickly. It did -- within hours, leaving her "as good
as new."

The vet doubted it would recur, but tonight, Poppy had another
episode, albeit a milder one, straight "out of the blue." She had
been perfectly fine for days. I'm worried sick about her ... is it
"normal" for this condition to recur? Does anyone have any thoughts
on it? Or, any experience with it?

Many thanks,

-- Danelle

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BONGSP1

SH
Posts:53

10/18/2009 7:24 AM
Yes Danelle, my Cally, at 141/2, had an attack. In 2 days she fully recovered. She had one more before she passed a year later. My Vet, breeders and a Lab judge, said that there was nothing that could be done other than keep them comfortable until they "snap" out of it. As I said, she was in my life until she was 151/2. Bonnie. In a message dated 10/15/2009 12:28:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, danelle@gatcombe.com writes: Hi all, Does anyone here have any experience with canine vestibular disease? Our 12 year old girl, Poppy, had what we thought was a stroke last week -- she couldn't stand up or walk, was dizzy, vomiting, had nystagmus, head tilt, all very scary -- and we rushed her to the vet and were told it was likely an episode of canine vestibular disease (common in old dogs, due to an inner ear thing) and that it would likely resolve quickly. It did -- within hours, leaving her "as good as new." The vet doubted it would recur, but tonight, Poppy had another episode, albeit a milder one, straight "out of the blue." She had been perfectly fine for days. I'm worried sick about her ... is it "normal" for this condition to recur? Does anyone have any thoughts on it? Or, any experience with it? Many thanks, -- Danelle Unsubscribing: To unsubscribe from the list, send an email message in PLAIN TEXT to gsp-l-request@web.whc.net with message text of "unsubscribe gsp-l you@email.add" (replace the email address with yours, don't include the quotes and note it is a lower case L after the dash in gsp-l).

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MH
Posts:215

10/18/2009 7:26 AM
I had the same many years ago. the give away were the dogs eyes which darted back and foth. No wonder they couldn't stand and were sick. My vet told me to crate them and give them a Bonine which is an over the counter motion sickness pill. It helped but the situation did reoccur. Sue wyndbourne -----Original Message----- From: Danelle Gatcombe To: gsp-l@web.whc.net Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 12:28 am Subject: [gsp-l] Canine Vestibular Disease Hi all, Does anyone here have any experience with canine vestibular disease? Our 12 year old girl, Poppy, had what we thought was a stroke last week -- she couldn't stand up or walk, was dizzy, vomiting, had nystagmus, head tilt, all very scary -- and we rushed her to the vet and were told it was likely an episode of canine vestibular disease (common in old dogs, due to an inner ear thing) and that it would likely resolve quickly. It did -- within hours, leaving her "as good as new." The vet doubted it would recur, but tonight, Poppy had another episode, albeit a milder one, straight "out of the blue." She had been perfectly fine for days. I'm worried sick about her ... is it "normal" for this condition to recur? Does anyone have any thoughts on it? Or, any experience with it? Many thanks, -- Danelle Unsubscribing: To unsubscribe from the list, send an email message in PLAIN TEXT to gsp-l-request@web.whc.net with message text of "unsubscribe gsp-l you@email.add" (replace the email address with yours, don't include the quotes and note it is a lower case L after the dash in gsp-l).

ElwingGSP

Bartlesville, Oklahoma

SH
Posts:58

10/18/2009 7:26 AM
My old girl, Shades, had an episode a year or two before she died. I too thought the symptoms resembled a stroke. The diagnosis was canine vestibular disease. She recovered within a few hours and never had another occurrence. Regards, Marty B Cornell Elwing Pointers Bartlesville, Okla. "Life is too short to hunt with an ugly dog." http://ElwingGSP.com -----Original Message----- From: Danelle Gatcombe To: gsp-l@web.whc.net Sent: Wed, Oct 14, 2009 11:28 pm Subject: [gsp-l] Canine Vestibular Disease Hi all, Does anyone here have any experience with canine vestibular disease? Our 12 year old girl, Poppy, had what we thought was a stroke last week -- she couldn't stand up or walk, was dizzy, vomiting, had nystagmus, head tilt, all very scary -- and we rushed her to the vet and were told it was likely an episode of canine vestibular disease (common in old dogs, due to an inner ear thing) and that it would likely resolve quickly. It did -- within hours, leaving her "as good as new." …

Regards, Marty B Cornell Elwing Pointers "Life is too short to hunt with an ugly dog."

singltrak

Las Cruces, NM

MH
Posts:1149

10/18/2009 7:26 AM

My guy, Ziggy had this a couple summers ago. It seemed to be brought on originally by a perforated eardrum or inner ear infection and lasted for about 6-7 hours. He was on heavy duty antibiotics (for the ear infection) for about a month afterwards. It truly was very scary and of course happened on a weekend when my regular vet wasn't open. He has an off and on residual head tilt to this day, so sometimes when you see him in the ring with his head cocked to one side that's what it is...seems more pronounced if he's (I'm) really stressed.

Phyllis McNall***Singltrak Shorthairs

Las Cruces, New Mexico

"Look To The Past, Breed For The Future"

http://www.singltrakshorthairs.net

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legacykennels1 User is Offline

MH
Posts:226

10/18/2009 7:26 AM

There is a drug now called Cerenia..really helps the vestib. dogs with their nausea...your vet should have it or can get it..seems to work better than Bonine. Donna

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, wyndbournegsp@aol.com wrote:

From: wyndbournegsp@aol.com
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Canine Vestibular Disease
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 9:26 AM

I had the same many years ago. the give away were the dogs eyes which darted back and foth. No wonder they couldn't stand and were sick. My vet told me to crate them and give them a Bonine which is an over the counter motion sickness pill. It helped but the situation did reoccur.

Sue

wyndbourne

-----Original Message-----
From: Danelle Gatcombe
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 12:28 am
Subject: [gsp-l] Canine Vestibular Disease

Hi all, Does anyone here have any experience with canine vestibular disease? Our 12 year old girl, Poppy, had what we thought was a stroke last week -- she couldn't stand up or walk, was dizzy, vomiting, had nystagmus, head tilt, all very scary -- and we rushed her to the vet and were told it was likely an episode of canine vestibular disease (common in old dogs, due to an inner ear thing) and that it would likely resolve quickly. It did -- within hours, leaving her "as good as new." The vet doubted it would recur, but tonight, Poppy had another episode, albeit a milder one, straight "out of the blue." She had been perfectly fine for days. I'm worried sick about her ... is it "normal" for this condition to recur? Does anyone have any thoughts on it? Or, any experience with it? Many thanks, -- Danelle Unsubscribing: To unsubscribe from the list, send an email message in PLAIN TEXT to gsp-l-request@web.whc.net with message text of "unsubscribe gsp-l you@email.add" (replace the email address with yours, don't include the quotes and note it is a lower case L after the dash in gsp-l).

david.nauer User is Offline

MH
Posts:125

10/18/2009 7:26 AM
We’ve not seen this in our older GSPs, but did have a miniature longhaired dachshund that lived to be 17 ½ years old that suffered his first incident of this problem at 15 years old. He had several episodes over the final years of his life but recovered each time. Towards the end he did have a “tilt” to his head, but he never got to the point where he couldn’t walk straight and upright (OK – as far as that goes for a Dachshund!). I know this can go south in some cases, but most dogs I’ve seen with it have long and happy lives with occasional hiccups. Dave David Nauer Voyager GSPs From: gsp-l-request@web.whc.net [mailto:gsp-l-request@web.whc.net] On Behalf Of askmegsp@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:33 PM To: gsp-l@web.whc.net Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Canine Vestibular Disease My old guy Tucker had several boughts of it. He recovered fully after each one. Ann Olde Ridge -----Original Message----- From: Danelle Gatcombe To: gsp-l@web.whc.net Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 12:28 am Subject: [gsp-l] Canine Vestibular Disease `Hi all,` `Does anyone here have any experience with canine vestibular disease?` `Our 12 year old girl, Poppy, had what we thought was a stroke last` `week -- she couldn't stand up or walk, was dizzy, vomiting, had` `nystagmus, head tilt, all very scary -- and we rushed her to the vet` `and were told it was likely an episode of canine vestibular disease` `(common in old dogs, due to an inner ear thing) and that it would` `likely resolve quickly. It did -- within hours, leaving her "as good` `as new."` `The vet doubted it would recur, but tonight, Poppy had another` `episode, albeit a milder one, straight "out of the blue." She had` `been perfectly fine for days. I'm worried sick about her ... is it` `"normal" for this condition to recur? Does anyone have any thoughts` `on it? Or, any experience with it?` `Many thanks,` `-- Danelle` `Unsubscribing: To unsubscribe from the list, send an email message in PLAIN TEXT` `to gsp-l-request@web.whc.net with message text of "unsubscribe gsp-l` `you@email.add" (replace the email address with yours, don't include the quotes` `and note it is a lower case L after the dash in gsp-l).`

mountaindogs User is Offline

MH
Posts:128

10/18/2009 7:26 AM
We see it fairly frequently at the clinic. It nearly always resolves, but often it takes more than a day. It is extreme dizziness like a vertigo effect, usually after an ear trauma or infection, sometimes the cause is unknown. Often the cases we see are pretty severe, with dogs unable to stand and wanting to roll to one side, with a startle like response as if falling but continuously. Vomiting, and hypersalivating, sometimes crying and splaying the front legs. The nystagmus, vet's believe, is a sign of the eyes trying to make sense of what seems like a spinning world. Like after you have spun around many times and then stop, but you still feel like you are spinning. Imagine this happening continually for hours. Makes my stomach ill just thinking about it. If it goes on for days, which it can, dogs will need fluids and medicine IV, since they get so nauseated that they can not stop vomiting and will not eat or drink. The worst case I personally saw was after a dog fight and the injury was just behind the ear and had become infected all around and in the ear. Took well over a week, for the dog to recover, but he did and was eventually fine. Usually it is as most of you here describe, and recovery occurs quickly with little treatment needed. Cerenia is a great drug, really helps nausea and increases appetite. We use it alot. In a message dated 10/15/2009 9:51:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, david.nauer@verizonbusiness.com writes: We’ve not seen this in our older GSPs, but did have a miniature longhaired dachshund that lived to be 17 ½ years old that suffered his first incident of this problem at 15 years old. He had several episodes over the final years of his life but recovered each time. Towards the end he did have a “tilt” to his head, but he never got to the point where he couldn’t walk straight and upright (OK – as far as that goes for a Dachshund!). I know this can go south in some cases, but most dogs I’ve seen with it have long and happy lives with occasional hiccups. Dave David Nauer Voyager GSPs From: gsp-l-request@web.whc.net [mailto:gsp-l-request@web.whc.net] On Behalf Of askmegsp@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:33 PM To: gsp-l@web.whc.net Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Canine Vestibular Disease My old guy Tucker had several boughts of it. He recovered fully after each one. Ann Olde Ridge -----Original Message----- From: Danelle Gatcombe To: gsp-l@web.whc.net Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 12:28 am Subject: [gsp-l] Canine Vestibular Disease `Hi all,` `Does anyone here have any experience with canine vestibular disease?` `Our 12 year old girl, Poppy, had what we thought was a stroke last` `week -- she couldn't stand up or walk, was dizzy, vomiting, had` `nystagmus, head tilt, all very scary -- and we rushed her to the vet` `and were told it was likely an episode of canine vestibular disease` `(common in old dogs, due to an inner ear thing) and that it would` `likely resolve quickly. It did -- within hours, leaving her "as good` `as new."` `The vet doubted it would recur, but tonight, Poppy had another` `episode, albeit a milder one, straight "out of the blue." She had` `been perfectly fine for days. I'm worried sick about her ... is it` `"normal" for this condition to recur? Does anyone have any thoughts` `on it? Or, any experience with it?` `Many thanks,` `-- Danelle` `Unsubscribing: To unsubscribe from the list, send an email message in PLAIN TEXT` `to gsp-l-request@web.whc.net with message text of "unsubscribe gsp-l` `you@email.add" (replace the email address with yours, don't include the quotes` `and note it is a lower case L after the dash in gsp-l).`

jgrey2

Posts:8

10/18/2009 7:26 AM
I believe this is similar to human BPPV (Benign Paroxysmal Positional Veritgo) which is a major pain in the butt if you've ever suffered from it but is curable and not serious. --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Mountainbirddogs@aol.com wrote: > From: Mountainbirddogs@aol.com > Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Canine Vestibular Disease > To: gsp-l@web.whc.net > Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 11:10 AM > > > > > > > We see it fairly frequently at the clinic. It nearly > always resolves, but > often it takes more than a day. It is extreme dizziness > like a vertigo > effect, usually after an ear trauma or infection, > sometimes the cause is > unknown. Often the cases we see are pretty severe, > with dogs unable to > stand and wanting to roll to one side, with a startle like > response as if > falling but continuously. Vomiting, and hypersalivating, > sometimes crying and > splaying the front legs. The nystagmus, vet's believe, > is a sign of the > eyes trying to make sense of what seems like a spinning > world. Like after you > have spun around many times and then stop, but you still > feel like you are > spinning. Imagine this happening continually for hours. > Makes my stomach ill > just thinking about it. If it goes on for days, which it > can, dogs will need > fluids and medicine IV, since they get so nauseated that > they can not stop > vomiting and will not eat or drink. The worst case I > personally saw was after a > dog fight and the injury was just behind the ear and had > become infected all > around and in the ear. Took well over a week, for the dog > to recover, but > he did and was eventually fine. Usually it > is as most of you here > describe, and recovery occurs quickly with little treatment > needed. > > Cerenia is a great drug, really helps nausea and > increases appetite. We use > it alot. > > > In a message dated 10/15/2009 9:51:59 A.M. Central > Daylight Time, > david.nauer@verizonbusiness.com writes: > > > We’ve > not seen this > in our older GSPs, but did have a miniature longhaired > dachshund that lived to > be 17 ½ years old that suffered his first incident of > this problem at 15 years > old. He had several episodes over the final years > of his life but > recovered each time. Towards the end he did have a > “tilt” to his head, > but he never got to the point where he couldn’t walk > straight and upright (OK > – as far as that goes for a Dachshund!). I know > this can go south in > some cases, but most dogs I’ve seen with it have long > and happy lives with > occasional hiccups. > > > Dave > > David > > Nauer > Voyager > > GSPs > > > > > > > From: > gsp-l-request@web.whc.net > [mailto:gsp-l-request@web.whc.net] On Behalf Of > askmegsp@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, > October 14, 2009 10:33 > PM > To: > gsp-l@web.whc.net > Subject: > Re: [gsp-l] Canine Vestibular > Disease > > > > My old guy > Tucker had several boughts of it. He recovered fully > after each > one. > > > > > Ann > > > Olde > > Ridge > > -----Original Message----- > From: Danelle Gatcombe > > To: gsp-l@web.whc.net > Sent: Thu, Oct 15, > 2009 12:28 am > Subject: [gsp-l] Canine Vestibular Disease > > Hi > all, > Does anyone here have > any experience with canine vestibular disease? > Our 12 year old girl, > Poppy, had what we thought was a stroke last > week -- she couldn't > stand up or walk, was dizzy, vomiting, had > nystagmus, head tilt, > all very scary -- and we rushed her to the vet > and were told it was > likely an episode of canine vestibular disease > (common in old dogs, due > to an inner ear thing) and that it would > likely resolve > quickly. It did -- within hours, leaving her "as > good as > new." > The vet doubted it would > recur, but tonight, Poppy had another > episode, albeit a milder > one, straight "out of the blue." She had > been perfectly fine for > days. I'm worried sick about her ... is it > "normal" for > this condition to recur? Does anyone have any thoughts > on it? Or, any > experience with it? > Many > thanks, > -- > Danelle > > Unsubscribing: To > unsubscribe from the list, send an email message in PLAIN > TEXT to gsp-l-request@web.whc.net > with message text of "unsubscribe gsp-l > you@email.add" > (replace the email address with yours, don't include the > quotes and note it is a lower > case L after the dash in > gsp-l). > > Unsubscribing: To unsubscribe from the list, send an email message in PLAIN TEXT to gsp-l-request@web.whc.net with message text of "unsubscribe gsp-l you@email.add" (replace the email address with yours, don't include the quotes and note it is a lower case L after the dash in gsp-l).

danelle

JH
Posts:28

10/18/2009 7:26 AM
Thank you so much to all of you who responded about Canine Vestibular Disease ... I hope you know reassuring it was to sign on and see so many messages. Poppy seems fine today after her relapse of last night ... I hope that was the end of it. It was an awfully scary experience to go through! -- Danelle Unsubscribing: To unsubscribe from the list, send an email message in PLAIN TEXT to gsp-l-request@web.whc.net with message text of "unsubscribe gsp-l you@email.add" (replace the email address with yours, don't include the quotes and note it is a lower case L after the dash in gsp-l).

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