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rospigan
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| 10/11/2009 1:49 PM |
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Cj's son James sent us some photos of Cj and we have put them
into the memoriam on our website in Torstis corner. They were from different
ages and we had to rework them in order to get them into a context. Maud made a
fantastic job in Photoshop. We thought they would do better in the overall
design of the memoriam with a bit "aged" look, and we put in a new background in
some of them. However we did not manage to find 7 turkeys flying in 9 different
directions so there we had to improvise a bit  ))
So now those of you who did not know Cj in person can see what
he looked like. Well, to me he looks both as sharp and humorous as he was in his
messages. If you put the pointer on the photos you should see the year they
were taken. Unfortunately the magic pointer that would bring him back to us has
not been invented yet....
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel www.rospigan.net "If you pick up a
starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the
principal difference between a dog and a man." /Mark Twain
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soniaskinner1
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| 10/11/2009 2:14 PM |
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Re: [working-gundog] Clement Walton updated with photos
Torsti,
I asked James if he would send you some photos of Cj for your memorandum and so pleased to see them. He isn’t quite as I imagined him, but it is so good to see the man behind the very wise words. He is such a loss to this world on many levels.
Sonia
On 11/10/09 20:33, "Maud & Torsti" wrote:
Cj's son James sent us some photos of Cj and we have put them into the memoriam on our website in Torstis corner. They were from different ages and we had to rework them in order to get them into a context. Maud made a fantastic job in Photoshop. We thought they would do better in the overall design of the memoriam with a bit "aged" look, and we put in a new background in some of them. However we did not manage to find 7 turkeys flying in 9 different directions so there we had to improvise a bit ))
So now those of you who did not know Cj in person can see what he looked like. Well, to me he looks both as sharp and humorous as he was in his messages. If you put the pointer on the photos you should see the year they were taken. Unfortunately the magic pointer that would bring him back to us has not been invented yet....
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
www.rospigan.net
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous,
he will not bite you; that is the principal difference
between a dog and a man." /Mark Twain
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jmurr
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| 10/11/2009 6:28 PM |
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| Wonderful job, Torsti and Maud too. Thanks.
I think Cj would have liked to read of this research:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1921614-1,00.html
Isn't it interesting to learn that, of all species on the planet, only humans and
dogs share an innate understanding of the pointing finger and, especially, that
wolves DO NOT? I suspect this DOES date back to the very early stages of dog
evolution when dog and wolf precursors separated and split off from their common
ancestor. Can't you imagine an early man, sitting at a campfire eating recently
killed meat, being approached by one of the "tamer" early dog precursors, throwing
a tidbit for it (much as I myself have thrown tidbits for the relatively tame
Canada jays that rapidly converge upon the doings after a moose kill) and, on
noting the critter didn't see the tidbit fly, maybe whistle and, on gaining its
attention, point a finger in the direction of the fallen morsel? Wouldn't those
critters that naturally "understood" the point and beat possible competitors to the
treat have a survival benefit resultant from that behavior? I think so and that it
is very possible this is exactly what happened many tens of thousands of years ago.
Jere
> Cj's son James sent us some photos of Cj and we have put them into the memoriam on
> our website in Torstis corner. They were from different ages and we had to rework
> them in order to get them into a context. Maud made a fantastic job in Photoshop.
> We thought they would do better in the overall design of the memoriam with a bit
> "aged" look, and we put in a new background in some of them. However we did not
> manage to find 7 turkeys flying in 9 different directions so there we had to
> improvise a bit ))
>
> So now those of you who did not know Cj in person can see what he looked like.
> Well, to me he looks both as sharp and humorous as he was in his messages. If you
> put the pointer on the photos you should see the year they were taken.
> Unfortunately the magic pointer that would bring him back to us has not been
> invented yet....
>
> Torsti
>
> Borta Med Vindens Kennel
> www.rospigan.net
> "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous,
> he will not bite you; that is the principal difference
> between a dog and a man." /Mark Twain
>
>
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rospigan
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| 10/12/2009 1:14 PM |
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Jere, I think that is a plausible explanation.
There was recently some other researchers from Finland and
China who had another theory. They had done DNA testing on a number of dogs and
had found that suddenly, some 15000 years ago, several hundreds of wolfs must
have been tamed simultaneously in a certain part of China. They also had a
theory why this happened. I do not believe a word about that since some 15 years
ago similar news were broadcasted. Then DNA researchers from Finland had found
that the dog originates from only 4 individuals, again in China that was. I
think that is nonsense. Those DNA researches might be experts on DNA but they do
not seem to know a thing about dog pack relations and dog - human relations and
hence the conclusions they draw can be totally incorrect.
I rather believe that dog has evolved together with man and
man together with dog - in some parts of the world where such a relation has
been beneficial for both parts. That would for ex. be the northern hemisphere up
to the artic area. In some other parts of the world such a relation might not
have given anything of use for neither part.
Not that long ago I bought a book from Amazon.com written by
someone who had done research on the dog - human relations in Zanzibar, of all
places. That is a Muslim place and they are not even allowed to touch a dog. How
serious can you get?
Now I must go to bed, have to get up early tomorrow. We will
try to get a moose but the weather prospect is worse than bad. Hard, cold wind
with rain.... I bet we do not eat moose for dinner ))
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel www.rospigan.net "If you pick up a
starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the
principal difference between a dog and a man." /Mark Twain
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:26
AM
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Clement
Walton updated with photos
Wonderful job, Torsti and Maud too. Thanks.
I
think Cj would have liked to read of this research:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1921614-1,00.html
Isn't
it interesting to learn that, of all species on the planet, only humans
and
dogs share an innate understanding of the pointing finger and,
especially, that
wolves DO NOT? I suspect this DOES date back to the very
early stages of dog
evolution when dog and wolf precursors separated and
split off from their common
ancestor. Can't you imagine an early man,
sitting at a campfire eating recently
killed meat, being approached by one
of the "tamer" early dog precursors, throwing
a tidbit for it (much as I
myself have thrown tidbits for the relatively tame
Canada jays that rapidly
converge upon the doings after a moose kill) and, on
noting the critter
didn't see the tidbit fly, maybe whistle and, on gaining its
attention,
point a finger in the direction of the fallen morsel? Wouldn't
those
critters that naturally "understood" the point and beat possible
competitors to the
treat have a survival benefit resultant from that
behavior? I think so and that it
is very possible this is exactly
what happened many tens of thousands of years
ago.
Jere
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mcotton
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| 10/17/2009 2:42 AM |
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What a lovely memorial you have set up for
Cj. I am sure he would be very honoured.
Marg
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 8:33
AM
Subject: [working-gundog] Clement Walton
updated with photos
Cj's son James sent us some photos of Cj and we have put
them into the memoriam on our website in Torstis corner. They were from
different ages and we had to rework them in order to get them into a context.
Maud made a fantastic job in Photoshop. We thought they would do better in the
overall design of the memoriam with a bit "aged" look, and we put in a new
background in some of them. However we did not manage to find 7 turkeys flying
in 9 different directions so there we had to improvise a bit
))
So now those of you who did not know Cj in person can see
what he looked like. Well, to me he looks both as sharp and humorous as he was
in his messages. If you put the pointer on the photos you should see the
year they were taken. Unfortunately the magic pointer that would bring him
back to us has not been invented yet....
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel www.rospigan.net "If you pick up a
starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the
principal difference between a dog and a man." /Mark Twain
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rospigan
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| 10/17/2009 11:12 AM |
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>>What a lovely memorial you have set up for
Cj. I am sure he would be very honoured.
Marg>>
I hope so! On the other hand he could sit there in his heaven, having met
and been chatting with our late Foxy and Springer. They all might
sit there laughing their pants of, making jokes about me and Maud as dog
trainers )) Cj was a man of great humour and I rather like to remember him that
way.
Whatever, the impact he made at least on me and Maud during all the years
shows of in full power now that we have got a new puppy. For the first time
we really have no big immediate plans for the puppy and do not control it
more than needed to prevent it from tearing the house down. In other words we
feel relaxed with the way it develops and have no intensions to stress it to
become a field trial champion tomorrow.
Our treatment of Briz has also become extremely gentle. Foxy´s death of
course carries a part to our changed attitude but also, if not even
more so; Cj´s way of explaining a few things for us. I think Cj would be
best honoured if we treat our dogs in the way they deserve and in the way he
treated them - as partners, friends and hunting companions of outmost
value. If he see us doing that, due to his lessons, then he would be very
pleased with what he attained, I think!
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel www.rospigan.net "If you pick up a
starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the
principal difference between a dog and a man." /Mark Twain
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mcotton
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| 10/18/2009 2:16 AM |
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So very true Torsti.
Marg
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:56
AM
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Clement
Walton updated with photos
>>What a lovely memorial you have set up
for Cj. I am sure he would be very honoured.
Marg>>
I hope so! On the other hand he could sit there in his heaven, having met
and been chatting with our late Foxy and Springer. They
all might sit there laughing their pants of, making jokes about me and
Maud as dog trainers )) Cj was a man of great humour and I rather like to remember him that
way.
Whatever, the impact he made at least on me and Maud during all the years
shows of in full power now that we have got a new puppy. For the first
time we really have no big immediate plans for the puppy and do not
control it more than needed to prevent it from tearing the house down. In
other words we feel relaxed with the way it develops and have no intensions to
stress it to become a field trial champion tomorrow.
Our treatment of Briz has also become extremely gentle. Foxy´s death of
course carries a part to our changed attitude but also, if not even
more so; Cj´s way of explaining a few things for us. I think Cj would be
best honoured if we treat our dogs in the way they deserve and in the way he
treated them - as partners, friends and hunting companions of outmost
value. If he see us doing that, due to his lessons, then he would be very
pleased with what he attained, I think!
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel www.rospigan.net "If you pick up a
starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the
principal difference between a dog and a man." /Mark Twain
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