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robclayau
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| 08/03/2009 4:18 AM |
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Maud & Torsti wrote:
I envy everyone who has easy acces
to simple shooting of eatable small game! We have the roe-deer on our
backyard but when you have chewed your way through 150 of them you will
not give them the credit they deserve. I would like to have some pigeon
and rabbit shooting close to where we live. What we have is the damn
German field hare that you have to boil for 5 - 6 hours before it
allows you to eat it without loosing your teeth! I have a great regard
for hunting with a spaniel, it is without doubt much more fun that most
other ways of getting meat on the table.
I
agree Torsti it is very good fortune and I was delighted when I found
these
rabbits. So delighted that I purchased a new rifle specifically to hunt
them.
It just as well I did because my shot rabbits are now in high demand,
my
brother (who is a mad keen fisherman, but not a hunter) loves the taste
of
rabbits and wants me to get some more for him. I have had requests from
two
(non-hunting) colleagues at work for some rabbits (rabbits sell for
$12/each in
the store). Plus I also want to get some rabbits for my Science
classes. I am
currently teaching them about the digestive, respiratory and
circulatory
systems, I like to finish this unit with a rabbit dissection, so they
can get
some hands on knowledge of these systems. Naturally all these rabbits
need to be
head shot so the organs of these systems remain undamaged for study. As
I have
60 Science students, I need about 30 rabbits for them to dissect in
pairs. Plus
I'd like to get some rabbits for myself to eat, and my dogs also enjoy
them
very much. So, most of my free time is spent rabbit hunting at the
moment!!
I
donate the rabbits to the Science class for
dissection, but it will be nice to be able to legitimately claim the
cost of my
ammo, diesel and part of the cost of my rifle on my tax return as an
expense incurred as part of doing my job.
Cheers,
Rob
PS Are these German hares the same as those found
in the UK? I know that there are folk that consider the UK hares to be
a delicacy . Do the Germans eat their hares? I know they regard scent
trailing of hares a very desirable trait in their gundogs, but I have
never read what they do with the hares after training, feed them to the
dog perhaps?
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farmd69
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| 08/03/2009 12:38 PM |
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There is nothing like cottontails stewed in a rich brown spicy gravy with potatoes carrots, onions and peas until the meat falls off the bones (90 minutes). Now that is entertainment. THe only thing better is ruffed grouse using the same recipe.
Here in Otsego County in central New York state the rabbit population has been on the downside for 5 years (with or without a hound they have been hard to find.) It seems that no matter what I did to improve the habitat they just didn't respond..... and then came this year. Apperantly a dry May makes for great breeding as rabbits of all sizes are all over the place. MY fields just seem to be loaded with rabbits. In the morning driving down the railroad right of way and my farm lanes you see about 8-15 rabbits per mile. I can just hope nothing happens to the population until I can shoot. I fear the turkey nesting rate is WAYYYY down to to constant rain and cold weather this spring and summer. Last evening the dogs put up 4 poults and 2 adult hens when usually it's 2 hens and 20 poults.
My corn crop failed in 3 fields due to excessive water (from rain and those friggin beavers [buy fur]) flooding the fields) leaving me one field on a gravel hillside that looks good and I can expect some grain. My soybeans are being heavily grazed on by the deer and rabbits to the point of causing MAJOR DAMAGE. (I am glad I am not depending on farming this year to make a living or I would starve.) The switchgrass is already starting to head out (a few weeks early) and that usually portents a cold snowy winter. On the bright side the 5 acre switchgrass field I put in last year looks terrific,almost chest high and very thick. The turkeys are starting to utilize it for cover, causing the coyotes to waste a lot of time in fruitless pursute.
As for waterfowl???? Looked like a good hatch for ducks but not geese. THe geese are not as plentiful as previous years and I don't understand the reason why ducks did ok but not the geese. But with all the rain the ducks will be spread out over a wide area. That means a lot of work trying to find out where they are during the season because I am the only duck hunter on literally thousands of acres. No prerssure and lots of water makes it frustrating because I know ducks are all over the place, I just can't find them.
With less than 27 days till goose season I hope everybody is getting ready for a great time this fall.
ted
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rospigan
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| 08/03/2009 1:10 PM |
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>>>>PS Are these German hares the
same as those found in the UK? I know that there are folk that consider the UK
hares to be a delicacy . Do the Germans eat their hares? I know they regard
scent trailing of hares a very desirable trait in their gundogs, but I have
never read what they do with the hares after training, feed them to the dog
perhaps?>>>>
The German hare, or the Field hare, was taken to Sweden by
some idiot of noble birth around 100 or something years ago. It is bigger and
stronger than the Swedish hare and is slowly occupying more and more of the
Swedish hares territory. It can also cross breed with the Swedish hare, I
believe, at least I have seen hares that cant be other than hybrids. The Swedish
hare is a delicacy, particularly if first having been chased by a hare-hound a
couple of hours, thereby filling its muscles with lactic acid. Then you
hang it for a week, or several weeks in wintertime, and now you have the
tastiest game dinner you can imagine!
There are people down south in Sweden who consider that the
German hare is delicate. Maybe they use some ancient German or French recipe to
cook it, I do not know. The German hare is ugly and very easy to kill with a
rifle since it is so extremely stupid and also feeds at daytime. We have them
here on our backyard every day but we cant shoot here with a rifle. Their escape
distance is just beyond the reach of a shotgun so in that perspective they are
difficult to hunt.
The Swedish hare on the other side is very
beautiful, very cute indeed, snow-white in the winter and almost
impossible to find and kill without a good hare hound. Hunting the Swedish hare
in the winter with a hare hound is hunting culture in the Nordic countries! In
the past it had many magical powers in the folklore.
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel www.rospigan.net "If you pick up a
starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the
principal difference between a dog and a man." /Mark Twain
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lameduck
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| 08/03/2009 11:46 PM |
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| You sure made me hungry!!!!! I heard that in the west the geese had a good
hatch but not the ducks.
Ron
>
> There is nothing like cottontails stewed in a rich brown spicy gravy with
> potatoes carrots, onions and peas until the meat falls off the bones (90
> minutes). Now that is entertainment. THe only thing better is ruffed
> grouse using the same recipe.
> Here in Otsego County in central New York state the rabbit population has
> been on the downside for 5 years (with or without a hound they have been
> hard to find.) It seems that no matter what I did to improve the habitat
> they just didn't respond..... and then came this year. Apperantly a dry
> May makes for great breeding as rabbits of all sizes are all over the
> place. MY fields just seem to be loaded with rabbits. In the morning
> driving down the railroad right of way and my farm lanes you see about
> 8-15 rabbits per mile. I can just hope nothing happens to the
> population until I can shoot. I fear the turkey nesting rate is WAYYYY
> down to to constant rain and cold weather this spring and summer. Last
> evening the dogs put up 4 poults and 2 adult hens when usually it's 2 hens
> and 20 poults.
> My corn crop failed in 3 fields due to excessive water (from rain and
> those friggin beavers [buy fur]) flooding the fields) leaving me one field
> on a gravel hillside that looks good and I can expect some grain. My
> soybeans are being heavily grazed on by the deer and rabbits to the point
> of causing MAJOR DAMAGE. (I am glad I am not depending on farming this
> year to make a living or I would starve.) The switchgrass is already
> starting to head out (a few weeks early) and that usually portents a cold
> snowy winter. On the bright side the 5 acre switchgrass field I put in
> last year looks terrific,almost chest high and very thick. The turkeys
> are starting to utilize it for cover, causing the coyotes to waste a lot
> of time in fruitless pursute.
> As for waterfowl???? Looked like a good hatch for ducks but not geese.
> THe geese are not as plentiful as previous years and I don't understand
> the reason why ducks did ok but not the geese. But with all the rain the
> ducks will be spread out over a wide area. That means a lot of work
> trying to find out where they are during the season because I am the only
> duck hunter on literally thousands of acres. No prerssure and lots of
> water makes it frustrating because I know ducks are all over the place, I
> just can't find them.
> With less than 27 days till goose season I hope everybody is getting ready
> for a great time this fall.
>
> ted
>
>
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sdsgraham
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| 08/05/2009 12:13 PM |
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>>Do the Germans eat their hares?<<
You've never heard of Hasenpfeffer? (Hase being German for "hare.")
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Steve Graham
North Plains, Oregon USA
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jikoj
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| 08/05/2009 12:53 PM |
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| I make hasenpfeffer with cottontails and it is way tasty. I use the
recipe in Joy of Cooking by Rombauer. Very simple yet good. I've been
told that Mario Battali's coniglio con krauti is super.
In college we tried the hasenpfeffer with snowshoe hares that we go out
of a cedar swamp......they smelled like Zip-Strip when they were
dressed and when they were cooked too.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Graham
To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
Sent: Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:52 pm
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Rabbits and Hares
>>Do the Germans eat their hares?<<
You've never heard of Hasenpfeffer? (Hase being German for "hare.")
--
Steve Graham
North Plains, Oregon USA
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rospigan
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| 08/05/2009 1:05 PM |
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>>Do the Germans eat their
hares?<<
You've never heard of Hasenpfeffer? (Hase being German for
"hare.
I made a search for more receips on Hasenpfeffer. I found one
where you marinade the hare for 3 days in winegar and red wine, among other
ingredients, before cooking it. I guess that is the way to conquer the german
hare  ))
All those recieps reminded me of when I was a child and our
family had time to make delicious food out of almost anything, no matter how
tough it was to start with. I guess both my father and mother, as they both
served in the WW2, had learned a lot about making the best out of what the fate
had to give them during the years of famine.
Today we are so busy, busy, busy so we do not have time to
cook anything for longer than 7 minutes, 14 on sundays, and if it is not ready
by then, then we consider the raw material as worthless for food.
Nothing makes me so angry and disappointed as when
modern grouse hunters cut the breast meat out of the birds and leave the rest in
the terrain. A modern coock, as seen on telly for example, throws away about 75%
from an excellent fresh fish!
OK, this autumn I will give the German hare another try. I
week in the refrigarator and 3 days in marinade should do the trick
))
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel www.rospigan.net "If you pick up a
starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the
principal difference between a dog and a man." /Mark Twain
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farmd69
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| 08/05/2009 1:39 PM |
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You've never heard of Hasenpfeffer?
I love stewed or shake n'bake cottontail but Hasenpfeffer?
Germans make great desserts (Better than the Italians and even some French ones) but a lot of their main courses (or at least the ones served in the USA) are just bad.
Using that method on a cottontail borders on the obscene, a veritable sacrilege to a wonderful animal. A cotton tail is mild tender flesh that can be delicately seasoned to make a wonderful meal making the consumer believe that they have already experienced a bit of heaven. Various flavors can be combined to entice even the most discriminating palate, to stop and reflect on the wonder of nature.
Hasenpfeffer is designed to make inedible meat palatable. Hare meets those qualifications as some claim that a hare should be cooked on a board and after careful preparation, the board should be eaten rather than the hare.
Cottontail yes! Hasenpfeffer NO
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:52:48 -0700
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Rabbits and Hares
From: sdsgraham@gmail.com
To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
>>Do the Germans eat their hares?<<
You've never heard of Hasenpfeffer? (Hase being German for "hare.")
--
Steve Graham
North Plains, Oregon USA
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rospigan
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| 08/06/2009 10:56 AM |
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Jim wrote:
>>>>I make hasenpfeffer with
cottontails and it is way tasty. I use the
recipe in Joy of Cooking by
Rombauer. Very simple yet good. I've been
told that Mario Battali's coniglio
con krauti is super.
In college we tried the hasenpfeffer with snowshoe hares
that we go out
of a cedar swamp......they smelled like Zip-Strip when they
were
dressed and when they were cooked
too.>>>>
Physiologie du Goût, ou Méditations de Gastronomie
Transcendante; ouvrage théorique, historique et à lordre du jour, dédié aux
Gastronomes parisiens, par un Professeur, membre de plusieurs sociétés
littéraires et savantes
or en Anglais - The physiology of taste, or,
Meditations of transcendent gastronomy; a theoretical, historical and topical
work, dedicated to the gastronomes of Paris by a professor, member of several
literary and scholarly societies
I have to see if I can find that book and buy it. I believ I
borrowed the same book from a library ages ago, and copied a number of
pages about preparing pheasants for a dinner (first: kill them! Sorry, just
joking )) ). If you are a "slow food" lover, then it is
fantastic!
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel www.rospigan.net "If you pick up a
starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the
principal difference between a dog and a man." /Mark Twain
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robclayau
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| 08/06/2009 1:43 PM |
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Ask and you shall receive my friend.
If you go to http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=BRILLAT+SAVARIN&sts=t&x=49&y=22
you will find many copies of the book for sale for as little $2.80,
even with shipping you will have it for well under $10. I have
purchased from AbeBooks using my credit card many times and never had a
problem, the books always arrive in the stated condition and my card is
never over charged.
But wait, there's more!! If you go to http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%28Savarin%29
you will find there are many copies of the book that can be downloaded
for FREE!! These books have be digitally scanned, so if you download
the PDF format, you get an exact replica of the book. There are also
"text only" options, which will give you the textual content of the
book, but not the images, etc.
http://www.archive.org/advancedsearch.php
is a BRILLIANT site and I highly recommend it to anybody with an
interest in old books, history, hunting or cooking. Basically it is a
site where out of copy write books have been digitised and are freely
available for download. While you're at the site do some general
searches with terms like hunting, shooting, spaniels, gundogs, etc.
You'll love what you turn up. Also do a search for "Peter Hawker", his
book "Instructions to young sportsman" book is an amazing insight into
early hunting, particularly duck hunting, in England and the
illustrations are beautiful. Hawker's hunting diaries, Volumes I and
II, are also excellent.
Enjoy!!
Rob
Maud & Torsti wrote:
Physiologie du Goût, ou Méditations de
Gastronomie Transcendante; ouvrage théorique, historique et à l’ordre
du jour, dédié aux Gastronomes parisiens, par un Professeur, membre de
plusieurs sociétés littéraires et savantes
or en Anglais - The physiology of taste,
or, Meditations of transcendent gastronomy; a theoretical, historical
and topical work, dedicated to the gastronomes of Paris by a professor,
member of several literary and scholarly societies
I have to see if I can find that book and buy it.
I believ I borrowed the same book from a library ages ago, and copied a
number of pages about preparing pheasants for a dinner (first: kill
them! Sorry, just joking )) ). If you are a "slow food" lover, then
it is fantastic!
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
www.rospigan.net
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous,
he will not bite you; that is the principal difference
between a dog and a man." /Mark Twain
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