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06/27/2009 9:11 PM  

So as many of you know Barley went through two surgeries on his intestines.  Since that time we have been feeding Barley Low Residue and re introducing his Fromms Chicken a la veg. We had to start using pro biotics because of some stool issues but things are going well now with the stool.

Barley is about to be 100% on the Fromms (after a 2month re intro process!) but I am worried because he is not putting on weight...  I have been looking at Orijen for quite some time and I was thinking of switching him over to the 6 fish version. In your guys opinion will this help me attain more weight on my boy? I know these guys are supposed to be skinny but he is not where he should be at! The top of his hip bones and all ribs still show ( gotten bettter since the surgeries)....

Any advice would rock!  Thanks guys!

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06/28/2009 12:32 AM  
Defiantly talk to MegC about this. We had a dog we couldn't keep weight on and she turned us to a really amazing product that helped A LOT.

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06/28/2009 9:28 AM  
Fromm is 24% protein, 15% fat, and 370kcals/cup.
Orjen is 45% protein, 30% fat, and 460kcals/cup.

If that doesnt put weight on him, he may have other issues.

Leena, 8mo unspayed female, gets 32% protein, 17% fat, and 370kcals/cup. She was having issues with keeping weight on, but once we switched to this food she is doing great. She gets about 3 cups/day, (1.5 2x/day).

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06/28/2009 10:11 AM  

Tried to get this stickied, but apparently not enough interest...

Click here for my post on keeping weight on these critters, hopefully it helps. The stuff Jessica was talking about is Champaine Race Diet... I've got more in the freezer from last year, fortunately they don't care about freezer burn. GREAT stuff.


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06/28/2009 11:55 AM  

Oh and Chris if you decide to go with the Champaine Race Diet do introduce in small proportions with more dog food especially since he had surgery on his intestine. Because it will give the dog diarrhea if given in big proportions right away. I still recommend that strongly even though your dog isn't a race dog neither are ours but man did it put weight on ours fast. 


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06/28/2009 3:36 PM  

Meg C how much does that stuff cost?

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06/28/2009 4:31 PM  

Last time I bought it, I think it was <$.40/lb in #50 blocks that I have to saw up to fit in my fridgelet. Even if it's doubled in price since then I'd say it's worth it.


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06/28/2009 5:13 PM  

I wonder what the cost is for people who need to get it shipped!

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06/28/2009 5:17 PM  
Where are you located?

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06/28/2009 6:33 PM  

Wisconsin... Looked like it was only distributed in Washington, Alaska and another West coast state.....

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06/28/2009 6:34 PM  

Do you think if I try the Orjen for now it would be a good upgrade from the fromms???? Seemed like a huge jump in Protein and fat.....

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06/28/2009 8:55 PM  

Wisconson? Finding good food there has to be like shooting fish in a barrel- you're in mushing country! I would look for someone local to get a bead on sources of meat and/or high zoot feed that won't break the bank:

http://www.sleddogcentral.com/beginners/mentor_list_usa_wi.htm
http://www.sleddogcentral.com/clubs_usa.htm#Wisconsin

I'd also try seeing if this guy has a mix available if he's anywhere nearby:
http://www.sleddogcentral.com/classifieds/foodforsale.asp#Roberts

And finally, if *I* was out in your neck of the woods, I'd sure as heck be trying Redpaw. Some of the top teams in North America are using this stuff.
http://www.redpawfeed.com/


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06/29/2009 11:41 AM  
Anyone please correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand it is fat that gives a dog energy (a little different from humans!), carbs that make him fat and protein that keeps him lean. In a nutshell. I have heard of some dogs actually losing weight on grainless high-protein feeds, and of some that gained.

I just started feeding Orijen Adult and so far I love it. Nice firm stools with very little odor, and it seems she needs less of it to maintain her weight.

I would say give it a try and see. You could also supplement with some kind of oil since that is where dogs get their energy from and he needs to gain anyway.

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06/29/2009 1:12 PM  

I don't know if it's that cut and dried, but dogs certainly seem to metabolize fat differently than we do and adding meat sure kicks up the energy level and visible health of a dog. I would expect some very easy keepers (like certain labs) would put weight on if you gave them extra corn flakes... or even cardboard, lol. Really hard keepers like Anya would just blow them out and be worse for the experiment.

I'm always amazed at how wide a spread one can get in feeding requirements in the same species. I'll never forget watching a gal with Inuit dogs clucking over how fat they were getting mid-season out at a trail head... they were at least 70 pound dogs and she was feeding them out of a bowl maybe 4" across and 3" deep. Heck, I've seen bowls that big used for cats! And she only had maybe an inch of kibble across the bottom. !!!

Dulcie maybe clears 30 pounds, and she was eating up to 4 cups of kibble divided over 2 feedings per day and anywhere from 1/4 to a whole pound of meat at that same event. They were shaking their heads thinking about my feed bills, lol....


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06/29/2009 1:28 PM  

I see a wide difference in my three even when you factor in the different sizes and age.  Belle who is my oldest, has been spayed and is no where near as active as Halo and Ringo still requires more feed.  Halo's needs vary basically around when she comes in season.  She can pack on the pounds when she is coming in season, but slims right down when she is done.  Ringo is a bottomless pit for food right now, but he is a growing boy.  I also have to tweak the amount based on the time of year.  The shorthairs seem to be more sensitive to feeding and a variety of variables more so than other breeds I have had. 


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06/29/2009 2:13 PM  
Hm, just getting in on this...first of all if you bump that protein from 24 up to the 42 all at once you can expect diarrhea. You need to introduce it gradually as Meg suggested with her "remedy". :) I have an older girl who bloated last year and had a gastropexy (stomach tacked) and can't handle big meals or they will come back up. So, I soak(soak not add water to it) her food and also feed her smaller quantities twice a day.

There is a good, easily made recipe for Satin Balls (sometimes called Fat Balls) that is excellent for putting weight on. I'll have to hunt it up, but it is like a big meat loaf, kind of fun to put together and you can freeze half, etc. It keeps close to forever. Mixture includes hamburger, Total flakes, wheat germ, eggs, vegetable oil, molasses, garlic salt. Does not cause tummy upset or diarrhea and can be made into balls or stored and made up as needed. I add about 2-3 to my dogs' regular amounts of food until they are the weight I want...usually takes about a week.

Good luck! Having computer problems, so my address (Bev..:)) is singltrak1@yahoo.com if you need to get hold of me...

I will look up the recipi for the Satin Balls.

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06/29/2009 2:17 PM  
Posted By Texas Belle on 06/29/2009 1:28 PM... The shorthairs seem to be more sensitive to feeding and a variety of variables more so than other breeds I have had. 

I would totally agree with this observation. My suspicion is that as a breed they tend to require more food than the average x pound dog to begin with (with natural variations of course), but then some GSPs just push themselves harder activity-wise even without a human to goad them on.

I've increasingly been leaving the hounds out in the dog yard all weekend instead of in kennels, and it's interesting to watch... between the 3 of them they tend to keep something going almost all the time, especially Friday night/Saturday. But by Sunday evening they're moving noticably slower and/or snoozing more, and they're glad to let me get more sleep on Monday morning.

My mushing mentor has repeatedly warned me that these dogs won't need nearly as many miles as huskies to get to the same level of fitness. Having owned both, she's speculated that it's because 'hounds' (i.e. non- or low-percentage huskies) are much more active in the dog yard, so they gain fitness faster and preserve it longer with less effort on the driver's part. Now that she's had some GSP crosses, she'll readily admit that as a group they tend to be even MORE squirrelly than the other strains she's worked with, and those guys are visibly carrying more muscle than the other dogs in her yard before training starts in the fall.

It's an advantage to a point... but of course the flip side of this equation is when you go to buy dog food.


Megan
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