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birdman652001
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| 06/09/2009 9:44 AM |
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im getting to my wits end here... the farm house.. Remi was doing perfect on bathroom... didnt make one accident... nor did he do damage... 6 months old and we're in a newer home... hes crapping in the house.. you could be sitting in a chair and he'll just GO. like for example THIS very morning.. i was cleaning the basement, i was in the small bar area rinsing out Joey (the cat) bowl in the sink and Remington took a crap and as i walked out to go upstairs, there was crap all over... *SIGH!!!!!!*
He has shown us signs when he does need to go.. he walks to the door and barks. So i let him out but he only pees first and then wants back in, then he craps in the house. if I stick him outside and leave him for a good 30 mins.. then he would crap outside.
Next, he is chewing everything, including carpet. hes got PLENTY of toys.. trust me, and hes got a meat chew bone... yesterday I dropped him off at my mother's house bc we both had something we had to do and the dog couldnt go with us and we took down the stair door and he tore up that carpet right there, so he started chewing up my mother's wading pool she uses for the dogs to cool off, and he tore the front of the kennel apart.. mind you, this is a 10x14x6 chain linked fence dog kennel and he managed to collapse the kennel. this dog is becoming a monster headache!!
what TO DOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????? im at wits end here... im about to send him to obe school! and id ont care how much the cost is. |
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wgspr rescue Milwaukee, WI
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| 06/09/2009 9:48 AM |
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New place, new rules! It takes them all a while to adjust and shorthairs will push your buttons to know what's allowed and what's not. He's probably doing all of that just to get your attention, that insecure feeling that a new house can bring. For potty I'd start leashing him to my side, make sure I can see what he's up to at all times. For destruction, better start crate training for his safety and your sanity. Just some thoughts... I've seen this happen with even 8 yr old dogs! Their routines get disrupted, they react. |
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Lisa C. Rossman WI GSP Rescue, Inc (wgspr.com) "Until there are none, rescue just one!"
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birdman652001
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| 06/09/2009 9:56 AM |
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oh he gets PLENTY of attention.. hes with us no matter what indoors. he is still indoors when we go to work. i could give my wife a hug and he would get in between and stay there til we move. he sleeps in between us, he will check where i am at all times and then go find my wife and constantly going back and fourth... does he nap? yes when we both are not moving sitting or laying in bed. if hes in a heavy nap, and i get up from my recliner, he'll wake up and go with me, even if its to the kitchen to get water or bathroom. he goes. hes really attached. but he goes on a tearing up the house frenzy when we're not home. this town doesnt provide much for dog day care, or anything like that. im just going nuts here. I got a set up for him outside so he can be outside all day when we go to work, but its raining off and on this week and i dont quite got a dog house built yet.. (not gonna buy one, im building one with a door and a room in the dog house.) anyone wanna adopt a dog til hes at least 2 years old? JK.. i couldnt give up my dog... just need to know what to do!!? |
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wgspr rescue Milwaukee, WI
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| 06/09/2009 10:03 AM |
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| Leash or crate potty training is how it's done with any age dog. There is something going on there, that makes him feel more insecure, and his behavior is reflective of that. If he's that way in the house, how can you trust him in outdoor setting? You already said he blew the door off the kennel. Better get a top on it, so he don't climb out, make sure he can't dig out, sounds like he's got a bit of possible seperation issues, and the games have probably only begun. I'd say the majority of us had to deal with it for that first two years, now it's your turn. Just go ez on the little guy, for what happens now, effects the rest of his life. And murder should not be part of the equasion! tehe. Even tho I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL... ride it out, it will pass. |
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Lisa C. Rossman WI GSP Rescue, Inc (wgspr.com) "Until there are none, rescue just one!"
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pixie bee
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| 06/09/2009 10:25 AM |
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Simple solution. He needs to walk around with you in order to poo outside. The smells just aren't quite right in the yard. take him for a walk. there are time,even with older dogs, that they just need the right spot. theya re about to go, then poof out of no where, it's not the right spot and they walk on. You know they have to go, you just know it but they NEED the right spot. Peeing is easy. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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birdman652001
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| 06/09/2009 10:31 AM |
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oh he poops outside if he is out there long enuf. just when i just stand there, he wont poop but will pee. he wouldnt pee or poop if i walk him... he poops and pees at home and most 60% of the time, he poops outside. as of being left outside, he is gonna be on a hook that is screwed into a 3 layer of railroad ties that are nailed together next to a tool shed and hes got PLENTY of shade as there are three HUGE trees to the south right there of the railroad ties that would block sunlight. thurs will be the ulitimate test to see if he is loose running around or still tied up. |
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birdman652001
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| 06/09/2009 10:31 AM |
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Posted By wgspr rescue on 06/09/2009 10:03 AM
Leash or crate potty training is how it's done with any age dog.
And murder should not be part of the equasion! tehe. Even tho I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL... ride it out, it will pass.
he is in the crate right now.. when he did it, i took him to his FRESH poop pile and pointed his nose to the poop and said this is a No-NO!! and took him straight to the crate and hes now sleeping it off.
no worries, murdering my dog is not an option. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 06/09/2009 11:09 AM |
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Patience and perserverence are key. Your dog is still a baby, all be it a big baby. I just went through this with my male, Ringo. He is now a year old and improving. He finally quit having accidents at about 5 - 6 months, but then I didn't move into a new house either. He knew better, but would just get the devil in him. Same with the chewing. I thought it would ease up some after he got his adult teeth, but it actually seemed to get worse with him. He chewed up an arm on a nice leather chair, a couple of throw pillows, the arm on an adirondack chair outside, a throw carpet by the door, the corner of the seat cover in the car (not the car seat, but the protective cover I added), anything paper like magazines, one portable phone, a foot stool, and pretty much all his dog toys. In most cases I was in the same room with him and just turned my back for a second. I generally caught him before he did extensive damage with the exception of the arm on the leather chair. I made the mistake with that one of thinking he was sleeping and could leave him for a few minutes to do something in the other room. He was a chewing machine (more so than either of my girls and they did their share when little). He also is trained in obedience as I show all my dogs in the obedience and conformation rings. They also get plenty of exercise. He just was hard headed and ornery and loves chewing. About 10 months old I noticed a bit of a change in behavior and by a year old it seems like the chewing demon has been exorcised. So hang in there and as others have said, this too shall pass. |
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FrancisMcGee Ann Arbor, MI
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| 06/09/2009 11:13 AM |
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Ok...a few recommendations...
1) Dogs don't learn the way humans do, so putting his nose in the poo isn't the most effective way to get him to understand. He will just be more confused. Also, they are horrible at generalizing (translating training in one environment to another) so if you have moved recently, you will need to reinforce what he has already learned in the farmhouse to his new environment. Repitition, repitition, repitition.
2) Have you noticed if there is a specific time of day that he is likely to go #2? In my experience, most dogs are on a fairly regular schedule...if he is, it may be helpful to have some dedicated time outside with him during this "poo window" where you know he is likely to go.
3) I would consider the attachment a good thing. I would much rather have a dog that is 100% interested in me than in other things. If he is seeking out your wife and you in the house, treat him. You'll be very thankful when you want to create the finished product in recall, obedience, etc. My GSP isn't so much a "velcro" dog...and I've found recall to be challenging at times.
4) Tearing up the house. How often to you leave him alone, and do you let him roam or is he in the crate when you leave? I think it is a lot to ask of a 6 month old GSP to be given free reign of a house without humans around. I rarely leave my GSP free to roam during the day. She isn't in the crate very long (always less than 3 hours) but that's where she'll stay until I know she won't tear apart our belongings. |
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birdman652001
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| 06/09/2009 11:34 AM |
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Posted By FrancisMcGee on 06/09/2009 11:13 AM
Ok...a few recommendations...
1) Dogs don't learn the way humans do, so putting his nose in the poo isn't the most effective way to get him to understand. He will just be more confused. Also, they are horrible at generalizing (translating training in one environment to another) so if you have moved recently, you will need to reinforce what he has already learned in the farmhouse to his new environment. Repitition, repitition, repitition.
2) Have you noticed if there is a specific time of day that he is likely to go #2? In my experience, most dogs are on a fairly regular schedule...if he is, it may be helpful to have some dedicated time outside with him during this "poo window" where you know he is likely to go.
3) I would consider the attachment a good thing. I would much rather have a dog that is 100% interested in me than in other things. If he is seeking out your wife and you in the house, treat him. You'll be very thankful when you want to create the finished product in recall, obedience, etc. My GSP isn't so much a "velcro" dog...and I've found recall to be challenging at times.
4) Tearing up the house. How often to you leave him alone, and do you let him roam or is he in the crate when you leave? I think it is a lot to ask of a 6 month old GSP to be given free reign of a house without humans around. I rarely leave my GSP free to roam during the day. She isn't in the crate very long (always less than 3 hours) but that's where she'll stay until I know she won't tear apart our belongings.
1) hes been here 2 months. when he FIRST moved here, he was fine, didnt poop.. now coming 2 months living here, hes gotten worst with the #2.
2) hes a pooping machine... he poops every hour and pees every 30 mins.
3)he may be a velcro dog in the house, but once he's loose outside, he runs and i could recall him and it doesnt phase him at all. Thats why if he goes to the bathroom outside, he is on a lease regardless if I'm sitting on the deck or if I'm just getting the mail which is like 15 ft from the house he will run and get on the street ignoring traffic and my commands.
4)me and my wife are gone 10 hours a day, he got a carpetless basement to roam, my wife opposed of crating him for 10 hours. she is home tmr and i work tmr and come thursday we both will be at work so he will be tied outside for the first time and i spent all day yesterday making sure theres nothing he can wrap himself in nore get out of anything... hes really on a short leash today... i DO NOT want him to leave the living room area or 5 ft from me at all times. he recalls great in the house.. does good recall outside but once traffic or people are walking, he takes off and totally ignores me and no matter how many times i crate him and hear him whine for 20 mins, he isnt learning anything. |
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FrancisMcGee Ann Arbor, MI
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| 06/09/2009 11:57 AM |
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10 hours alone during the day can be alot for a pup. I'm not saying it can't be done, but I think you will just have to have a lot of extra patience with him during the training process. After you are home from work, does he get the majority of your attention? If not, he may be a bit attention starved. Just make sure that if you're going to leave him for that amount of time, keep your expectations realistic.
GSPs need a ton of repetitive training, especially at a young age. They will pick it up fast, but they also are very hard-headed at times. Keep repeating your training over and over. He'll pick it up soon enough.
I would definitely NOT expect a perfect recall outside at 6 months. Again, dogs don't generalize well...you could have PERFECT recall everytime in the house with no distractions. Go outside...completely different story. Be sure to do positive training with him in the environment you want the response.
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pixie bee
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| 06/09/2009 12:05 PM |
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Could he be eating and drinking to much? Maybe the food is not a good choice for him? Maybe he caught a chill,causing him to pee so often? |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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singltrak Las Cruces, NM
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| 06/09/2009 12:37 PM |
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That is an awful lot of poop to try and tolerate. I wonder what you are feeding and how often because you shouldn't have more than one or two "deposits" a day to deal with. Also, what happens when he is in the basement? Does he poop all over down there? If so, it likely is not so much a "familiarity" issue as it is that there is now a gray area in his head. Let's see...I am loose in the basement during the day and can't go outside so I poop whereever I need to...and that is inside. But upstairs is also inside and so why should I not poop there too? Do you see what I am getting at? By leaving him in the basement-inside and yet having him inside when you are home, he just plain doesn't get it. Its hard to remember they are still blank slates when they do stuff you just want to beat them up over but he's a puppy and now I'd say he's confused. If he's going to be outside all day on Thursday then let's see how that goes. It may turn out that it is the best solution for him to be out during the day where he can keep the association of outside=pooping area. As far as not having a house yet, take the crate (doesn't sound like he uses it much anyway) take the door off or bungee it open and put that where he can get in it if a storm comes up. By the time it begins to be too cold for him outside he'll be older and better able to understand. And for the moment, after he's been out all day, if he comes in and poops in the house, show him the poop and put him back outside with a stern "no poop inside". |
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Patti Scituate RI
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| 06/09/2009 12:42 PM |
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| This is a good forum for asking the questions you have here but if I can just throw this out there, your breeder should be your first and best source on any of these problems you are having with Remi. I can't even express how much help Ringo's breeder and the owner of his sire have been to me. And the owner of his great grand sire while we are at it. Your breeder knows what temperment you are dealing with and will be able to truly help you. I'm not in any way suggesting you shouldn't ask questions here, just saying that if you aren't going to your breeder, you are missing your best source of information on your particular dog. |
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birdman652001
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| 06/09/2009 4:57 PM |
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Posted By singltrak on 06/09/2009 12:37 PM
That is an awful lot of poop to try and tolerate. I wonder what you are feeding and how often because you shouldn't have more than one or two "deposits" a day to deal with.
HE gets 2 bowls of ALPO dog food a day and gets a good size water bowl... and still craps all over the basement.. im not talking about 4 deposits here and there.. im talking like 4 to 10 different groups of poop in a 10 hour span. i feed him in the morning before i leave and he does go to the bathroom before i even go to work and does # 1 and # 2. and when i get home.. he has no need to go to the bathroom..
i see the point where he thinks hes allowed to go to the bathroom down stairs.. im gonna start training him to use the toilet... lol.. there is a toilet down and he can learn to use it... if that owuld ever work out!!
as far as attention.. he gets it the minute we get home... he gets walked, played with, bath (if he needs it) and we spoil him with treats. right now im throwing a dingo rubber bell as i type this message... its like im typing... (throw the rubber bell) and then wait for ....(throws the rubber bell) him to come (throws the rubber bell) back and toss it again.... im constantly giving him attention.. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 06/09/2009 5:10 PM |
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I would seriously look at changing is food as Alpo is not a high quality dog food and may be the source of allot of your problems. There have been a ton of discussions on this sight about food. General consensus among experts is you are better off with a high quality food and paying a little more. Saves you ultimately in vet bills, amount of poop to clean up, etc.
Here is an interesting website that ranks food, gives the method for ranking, etc.
www.the-puppy-dog-place.com/dog-food-ratings.html
Also search the archives on this forum as there is tons of info about food there as well. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
  
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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JCK
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| 06/09/2009 5:13 PM |
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If you're dog is going to the bathroom that much, you might want to have the vet take a look. That doesn't sound normal to me, even for a naughty puppy... |
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birdman652001
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| 06/09/2009 5:16 PM |
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okay.. well the breeder had me use diamond puppy food when i got him and he still pooped but not as much as he does now.. i asked remington where he was storing all that poop he had and if he was storing it in his legs... (joke) but i seen diamond food rated pretty good on that chart.. however is it a very reliable chart? i always thought purina dog chow would top it all but they are rated 62 F. hmm... i always thought most breeders and professionals use purina dog chow like most ppl do. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 06/09/2009 5:22 PM |
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| Wrong, this chart IMHO is pretty darn good. It is used on quite a few websites and I have had several breeders refer me to it. Diamond is a much better dog food. Most of the pros use Purina Pro Plan Performance dog food (not dog chow). I think several on this site use it. I use Wellness and used to use Innova, but have recently been testing a new kibble dog food that isn't on the market yet. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
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"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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birdman652001
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| 06/09/2009 5:27 PM |
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but isnt alpo a purina product??? isnt that suppose to be a good thing?
okay looks like i will switch him back to dimaond and see how that goes. but that doesnt stop him from chewing either... *sigh* one down, 15 to go. *laughs* i know it'll be all worth the patience in the end. i have to suffer through this to get the gift he has for me.
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