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05/06/2009 8:04 AM  

Okay, I know I am paranoid, the more so since Tessa had a reaction to vaccines, but I was wondering if any of you ever had a dog with adverse reactions to a flea/tick control product.

I have heard that K9 Advantix is especially toxic, more so than Frontline Plus, but I have used it on my bulldog with no problems. I had some left over from my late dog and just put some on Tessa this morning, but am getting a little worried...


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05/06/2009 9:28 AM  
I've never heard of any dogs having an issue with it. It is a different chemical, I think, then what is it frontline. Maybe try using half a dose and see how she does?

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05/06/2009 10:23 AM  
My concern with K9 Advantix is that in the instructions it says it can be very toxic to cats ... since we have two cats, this is a big concern for me.

I have read that it takes up to 12 hours for the tick to embed itself and 18 hours until it starts releasing any toxins into the blood stream.

In this case, I would prefer to go the path of least resistance: check the dogs over thoroughly when they come in from the woods. I don't know if this is being foolhardy -- a neighbour was recently diagnosed with Lymes and the treatment/symptoms sound pretty severe.

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05/06/2009 11:24 AM  
I was thinking along the same lines but deer ticks are VERY small and I don't trust myself to find them all in her dense coat.

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05/06/2009 1:01 PM  
Tessa & Everbell,
I am not sure what the tick population is like in your area but if you have lymes in the area I would strongly advise using some kind of repellent. If you don't want to use Frontline or
Advantix because of the toxicity there are organic repellents, a lot of these you have to reapply more often. You can google organic canine flea repellent.

The reason I am so passionate about it is because my husband is currently being treated for lymes & I know a lot of people whose pets have been treated and a couple whose pet has died because it wasn't caught in time. If you don't catch it in time the symptoms are pretty severe & the treatment is being on antibiotics for 28 days (i'm not sure what it is for dogs)
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05/06/2009 4:55 PM  
Thanks for the advice Mit ... we are in Eastern Ontario so Lymes is definitely a concern. I will take a look at the organic options.

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05/07/2009 7:05 AM  
Our newest edition, Dutchess, has an elevated Lyme antibody so she has been on Doxycycline for two weeks already. She is not as stiff in the hips so I think it is helping.

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05/07/2009 7:18 AM  

Well, I gave Tessa the regular dose yesterday a.m. before posting, and so far, no ill effects, it's been 24 hours, so I am sure we'll be fine. Which is great, because lyme disease is definitely a possibility, she's out with the ticks quite a bit. Don't want to take my chance.

I really wish though that there were some studies out there in regards to the adverse reactions that a lot of dogs seem to have to this stuff, more so than other preventatives. What I would like to know, the dogs that reacted, were they on other meds, did they have underlying health problems, did they have skin sores through which the liquid could have penetrated into the blood stream (supposedly it stays in the skin), age, breed, sex, etc. Without such studies, all info on line is purely anecdotal, although the number of anecdotes is overwhelming!

 


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05/07/2009 8:28 AM  
Posted By mit on 05/06/2009 1:01 PM
Tessa & Everbell,
I am not sure what the tick population is like in your area but if you have lymes in the area I would strongly advise using some kind of repellent. If you don't want to use Frontline or
Advantix because of the toxicity there are organic repellents, a lot of these you have to reapply more often. You can google organic canine flea repellent.

The reason I am so passionate about it is because my husband is currently being treated for lymes & I know a lot of people whose pets have been treated and a couple whose pet has died because it wasn't caught in time. If you don't catch it in time the symptoms are pretty severe & the treatment is being on antibiotics for 28 days (i'm not sure what it is for dogs)


Lymes is horrible in our area as well.  I know quite a few dogs and people that have gotten it. I use Frontline on my guys.
 


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05/07/2009 9:32 AM  
Tessa,
Does it just stay on the skin?
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05/07/2009 9:38 AM  
I noticed that Sentry has a "natural" flea and tick preventative. Anyone ever tried that? (I just loathe the thought of having to wash my hands EVERY time I touch my dog ...)

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05/07/2009 9:46 AM  
I think its obsorbed into the dogs blood through the skin. When the tick bites the dog, the chemical in the dogs blood kills the tick.

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05/07/2009 10:03 AM  

From what I understand it is applied to the skin, the dog's movements distribute it over the body, and it is absorbed by the skin, but does not penetrate the skin/enter blood stream. When the flea/mosquito/tick bites the SKIN it dies.

And while you should wash your hands after applying it, I don't think you need to wash your hands every time you touch the dog for the rest of the month. I stay clear of the greasy spots of application until the next bath (4 days later or so) but am not too worried about it. Maybe I should!

I do agree that for those people with cats, it's tricky, as this stuff is fatal for cats, so I'd be worried that they lick it off the dog...


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05/07/2009 10:30 AM  
I use Advantix, since it is good for mosquitoes as well, and have never had a problem. It also seems to absorb faster & better than other products I tried, so there weren't as many concerns about it getting on me or everything else I own (one brand I tried left a nasty, stinky grease spot all the way down the dogs' back for about a week!).

It also seems to last longer than a month, which is even better since it isn't cheap. Neither dog has ever had a bad reaction to it and I never see any fleas or ticks on them & the mosquitoes seem to be a lot less crowded around me when I am with the dogs!

I know some of the products can be fatal to cats, but since Lady Layla would like to be fatal to kitties as well, we don't have any contact with felines. :)

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05/07/2009 11:57 AM  
Lady Layla is catsharp I take it... :)

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05/08/2009 11:19 AM  
lol... Daniel is cat sharp, Layla is a kitty killer wannabe! She goes just a TINY bit insane when she smells kitty. No amount of "leave its!" or ecollars is going to distract her from her goal, either.

This is what happened before I gave my kitty to a new home: http://www.shorthairs.net/GSPForum/tabid/220/forumid/2/tpage/1/view/topic/postid/7759/Default.aspx#7759

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05/08/2009 11:28 AM  
Oh, THAT Layla. I remember seeing those pics! Hehe.

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05/30/2009 12:52 PM  

Just received my Drs Foster and Smith catalog today. They are offering free shipping and handling on their monthly flea and tic prevention. They are offering the free shipping and handling on-line too.

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/?ref=4397&subref=AA&s_kwcid=drs%20foster%20and%20smith|914620521

Hope this will help some!!  PS Rocky is a K9 Advantix dog and is down to his last tube so this couldnot have come at a better time.  Does it work as I have had zero tics on Rocky all spring


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07/07/2009 6:00 PM  

Thought this was an interesting article on the subject of tick prevention.

http://www.rodale.com/ticks-dogs-and-cats?cm_mmc=DailyNewsNL-_-2009_07_07-_-Top5-_-NA


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07/10/2009 5:14 PM  

I would much rather risk that a particular doggie be allergic to Frontline than I would risk that it contracted any of a number of tick-borne diseases (not just lyme). From babesia to ehrlichia, to lyme disease, to Rocky Mountain spotted fever ... to one of the most dangerous emerging threats out there leishmaniasis ... the number of deadly and debilitating diseases dogs can and do get from ticks makes fighting them mandatory.

Leishmaniasis makes lyme disease seem like kid's play, and it is one of the fastest-growing tick-borne diseases in the US right now. The primary vector is the sandfly, but it is now known to be transmitted by ticks. Leishmaniasis is always fatal to dogs, in addition to being transmissable to humans, where it is fatal also unless the person is given treatment (currently, there is no treatment that works on dogs).

So I wouldn't worry so much about whether any particular dog might get sick or not from a tick preventative; I would worry more if that dog might catch any number of the dangerous tick-borne diseases out there if you live in an area where ticks are prevalent.

In that regard, Frontline (fipronil) provides better tick coverage than any other remedy. For fleas, Advantix is usually more effective, but the truth is both products are starting not to work so well anymore, as in many areas of the country fleas are building resistance to both Frontline and Advantix. However, for ticks, this resistance doesn't seem to be as widespread, especially for Frontline.

 

 


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