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10/20/2007 3:52 AM  
>>I'm fairly lucky in one respect, my dogs don't seem to go after the turkeys
and stick with the grouse.  I think that's a learned behavior since I cannot
shoot turkeys in the regular hunting season and I just ignore them when a
young dog starts tracking them.  That's a very interesting subject... how
rapidly a young bird dog learns to ignore song birds and non-game birds when
you ignore them.
Cj >>
 
 
Yes, they learn to ignore non-game birds by themselves  but to keep them from fur can take some extensive and tiresome training. I can only speculate, use my imagination, when I try to find a reason for this:
 
In the beginning there was wild wolf. Even though they probably ate anything nutritious they could find or catch, birds was most likely not too often on their menu. If they made an collected effort as an pack to kill something it had to be big enough to give a reward for the entire pack and hence a small bird were out of question. In other words a bird gives less stimuli to start a pack-chase than a deer for ex.
 
The still unorganised prey drive of puppies and young wolfs/dogs make them chase anything that moves, but by and by the influence from both own experiences (for ex. blackbirds cant be caught by a wolf/dog) and the hunting habit of the rest of the pack, will help them to sort out what is worth to spend energy on and what is best left without consideration.
 
We humans will mess things up for our "wolf". To start with we do remove one important motivation for our wolf to hunt, namely hunger. We feed our wolf and it is never really hungry. We also mess up the second important motivation for our wolf to hunt, namely the game it is genetically programmed to chase and kill, fur! I base my conclusion about this issue on the fact that it is very much easier to stop a hare- or moose hound to chase birds than it is to stop a birddogs from chasing fur! Fur gives much more stimuli to hunt than feather. Actually I have never heard of an owner of hare- or Nordic breeds of moose hounds complain about their dogs chasing birds. The Russian breeds are a bit different since they are bred very versatile and can be used for anything from hazel grouse to bear. Still I believe the Russian breeds are easy to direct towards fur only if the owner is inclined to shoot fur only.
 
There is a reason why our birddogs need such an extensive training, above all in obedience, and why our "fur"-dogs hardly need any training at all to be to some or a lot of use. The last group hunts naturally, the first group behaves more or less like very well-trained circus artists!
 
I do not know if I am right or wrong. Of course I like to believe that I am right :-)))
 
Torsti

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"Ask not what your dog can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your dog."
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