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02/24/2009 8:09 PM  

hey all i was wondering what techniques you use to get a good recall

im working on my 6 month old pup almost 7 months now
 

hes good but not that good he will all ways come but sometimes takes alot longer then other times like when he plays so

 

if you could give me any tips that would be awesome

 

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02/24/2009 8:18 PM  
oh he is handsome!
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02/24/2009 8:25 PM  

thank you he is Australian and New Zealand Bred

 

and the sweetest boy ever going to show him for the first time in a month

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02/24/2009 8:51 PM  

If you are not getting a consistent response you need to put him back on a leash or check cord.  When you call him (and only call him once), if he does not come give him a little pop with the leash and when he comes to you lots of praise.  If he is not responding quickly turn and run away from him (make it a game).  When he gets to you lots of praise and treats.  You can also use a toy.  When he starts to come to you throw it between you legs and let him get it.  Eventually you can start mixing up the game a bit so he never knows if you will run or if there will be a toy.  That should speed his response up to you.  I would keep him on leash until he is good and solid everywhere, with and without distractions, before I even tried off leash.  Then when you do try off leash, if he doesn't respond correctly, put him back on the leash.  This takes lots of time, patience and 1000s of recalls.

You may at some point also need to use an ecollar, but for now I would just work on the on leash recall until he gets really good at it.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

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02/24/2009 8:54 PM  
Positive reinforcement, a lot of love, praise, and treats don't hurt in the beginning, then taper off the treats, replacing with a lot of praise. It sounds like your pup is doing quite well right now. He will probably go through a " I don't think I want to listen to you right now "stage, or as Texas Belle likes to call it.. "THE PUPPY STUPIDS" I love that phrase !!!!
He's about the right age to be going through it.
When he does, there are other methods to get him back on track, but there's no reason to explain that unless he developes a problem
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02/25/2009 7:22 AM  
Another thing that I found that worked with my Daniel was if he didn't respond to "Come" I would run AWAY from him, waving my arms in the air & acting like I was having a party & he wasn't invited. He couldn't stand not knowing what was going on & would race over. When he did, I would praise him, but not treat & praise. He only got both when he responded immediately to the command.

He is very treat motivated and learned pretty quickly what to do for the possibility of a treat. Once he had a reliable recall I started treating him every other time he came, or every third time, until he was weaned off the treats. But, even now, 6 years later I still occasionally give him a treat when he comes to me. He never knows when it will be, so he always shows up just in case.

Good luck with the pup, he is very handsome!

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02/25/2009 7:27 AM  

We also found that running away from the dog is extremely helpful in getting them to learn recall.  Start with a long leash and treats.  The start running away from the dog while on the leash and calling.  Pretty soon recall becomes a fun game for the dog, rather than a chore.

After a certain point, they start to become attuned to your voice and pay attention.  Well, at least most of the time.

 

 

 

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02/25/2009 11:56 AM  
Some of it has already been said but here are my rules:

1. Only call dog once (name will get attention, so I always call Tessa, come!).
2. Use an upbeat "inviting" rather then menacing voice.
3. If dog doesn't come first time, go get him. Do NOT rush towards dog, rather, walk over slowly and nonchalantly and so that he doesn't run away from you. Grab him, take him back to the spot from which you called him. All very calmly. If he does run, hunch down, clap your hands, or run away from him, that will make him chase YOU so you an grab him.
4. Never punish, yell or show frustration when dog fails to come.
5. Always praise, and especially at first, reward the dog. My trainer's trick is to treat with three small pieces of treats, because it sets this reward apart from the usually one treat, and gives the dog the impression he just hit some sort of jackpot. Make it really special for the dog to come. You can also use play as a reward. When Tessa is in the play mode and I call her, I noticed that she is not into treats that much, she'd rather have the ball, so I throw that as the reward.
6. If no response, as Bev said, dog needs to go back on leash, check cord, long line, drag leash, whatever. I prefer the check-cord, you can also make a very lightweight drag line (30 feet or more) and attach to collar for easy retrieval of the dog if needed.
7. Never use "come" to call the dog for something unpleasant in the dog's mind (grooming, ear cleaning, bathtub, kennel, if dog does not like these).
8. Never call the dog if you can't or don't want to enforce it. I caught myself embedded on the couch with my laptop calling Tessa who was rummaging where she was not supposed to rummage, then not wanting to get up to enforce it - that's just asking for it!

Re food rewards, I agree with lauralee that eventually they should be phased out. However, because the recall is so important and you really want to make it worth the dog's while to come, the recall is the only exercise (of the ones known to the dog) that is rewarded with treats in the advanced obedience class.

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02/25/2009 1:46 PM  
LOTS of praise!!!!

Wachter is just getting to the point where his recall is somewhat reliable, and then only with me. he won't come to the kids at all unless they have something in hand, but I can now turn him out the front door, watch him duty then have him back inside with no issues. (Drives my kids batty) Then again everytime he comes to me he gets hugs, pats and sometimes treats so it is a benefit to come to me, and the faster he gets to me the more he gets! Mind you it has taken a LONG while to get to this (he is 15 months old) and I still don't trust him outside of our normal environment, or without other distractions

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02/25/2009 1:55 PM  
Some dogs become check cord wise.



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02/25/2009 2:21 PM  
We are still working on the reliable recall. It seems harder with an older dog.

With our other dogs, I've used the techniques talked about above:
lots of praise -treats- toys, etc.
coming to me is ALWAYS a good thing (never punish or reprimand when they come)


With Bo, my husband has read the Richard Wolters training books. Wolters' opinion was not to excessively praise and don't "baby talk" to the dog.

I'll try anything. I think whatever works is great. Especially in the beginning of training, I usually make a BIG deal of them coming - happy tone: "good dog, good come," while petting.

My husband's using the e-collar, and Bo seems very reliable with it (I think he's now collar-wise). ;)

So, I'll do it my way; let my husband do it his way; and hopefully Bo will figure it out!
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02/25/2009 2:37 PM  
Wolters was a retriever guy, who knew nothing about pointers. burn the book.



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02/25/2009 2:41 PM  

thank you for all your reposnces i will keep at it and post my success he he he cause im sure my boy has more brains then he shows sometimes

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02/25/2009 2:42 PM  
Posted By pixie bee on 02/25/2009 2:37 PM
Wolters was a retriever guy, who knew nothing about pointers. burn the book.


LOL! 

My husband's hunting friends said it's the gun dog "bible."

But then again, they have retrievers!

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02/25/2009 8:18 PM  

is it a GSP thing to yawn alot mason does it heaps and makes alot of noise when doin it

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02/26/2009 6:19 AM  
mason is telling you you are boring him. It is an avoidance action. it has nothing to do with being tired. Like stretching,shaking,pushing against you and pawing, all bossy,bossy,bossy.
He is young and this is the time to establish who is the leader.
I'm a little slow in the math dept but I'm not sure how you could be working on 'come' for 7 months with a 6 month old. Anyways, if you expecting a 6 month old to stop what he is doing, especially when it is morefunner than you, you are expecting to much.
Use the training advice you recieved above and this is the age to start to expecting and setting a standard of performing commands. All expctations must be age appropriate.


"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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02/26/2009 7:28 AM  

Like scratching themselves, yawning can also be a distress reaction. If it happens during training, it can signal that the dog doesn't understand what you are asking him to do or had his fill and releases his frustration through scratching, yawning, barking, jumping.

 


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02/26/2009 7:35 AM  
This is where reading the dog is important. If I stopped a training session b/c the dog showed a sign of "distress" or "avoidance", well, no training would go on more then
5 minutes. The skill for the trainer is to work past these issues the dog is having and get training done. Teaching a dog to properly handle stress is one part of being a good trainer.
My 6 year old daughter shows signs of distress and avoidence everytime the word homework is mentioned. Go figure.



"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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02/26/2009 8:23 AM  
Yeah, but you also can't overdo training with a puppy that has an attention span of about 10 minutes, and less tolerance for repetions. Although at six months, I start putting on more pressure, still, if I see any of that distress behavior, I at least pause to see what the issue may be. Moving on to a different exercise and then coming back to what caused the dog to show frustration usually works.

Now, I am not sure in what kind of category "jumping up on me and mouthing me or the leash" falls. It occurs sometimes during walks and almost always at the end of a play session. I can't quite see it as frustration or distress, it seems more like acting up to me so I don't cut her any slack for it.

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02/26/2009 9:09 AM  

Dogs like people have different personalities.  All can be pushed to their individual stress level and exhibit the stress behaviors.  It is the handlers job to read the dog and know when to press forward and when to back off.  I can push Ringo much harder and further than either of my girls.  He just has the personality and temperament to handle the pressure.  Nothing seems to phase him.  Halo is tough too, but she so wants to please mom that if I show too much frustration or anger I can shut her down.  Also, she will work and do things for me that she would not do for anyone else.  Her drive is awesome when she is working for me and is very similar to Ringo.  The difference is he will take someone else's handling where Halo will not.  Belle rarely needs a correction and when she does it has to be light. She is by far one of the smartest dogs I have ever had.  She is just like the really smart kid that is flunking school because they get bored easily. That combined with the fact that she is my soft dog have made her a hard dog to train. She makes me as a trainer work.  However, she is absolutely rock solid in whatever she learns. 


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato
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