The final and best solution, I think, would be if someone made a book out of them on a commercial basis. It had to be someone who is knowledgeable with dogs and "tuned" to Cj's way of thinking. I think the book consisting to say 30 - 50% of Cj's selected messages with an explaining text between (to put the forum messages into a context) would become a best-seller. If the work was commercial the time spent to do it would mean a lot less. In this way Cj's family, who indeed owns the stuff he wrote, would earn something from his work too.

----- Original Message -----

From: Maud & Torsti

To: working-gundog@web.whc.net

Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:51 AM

Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Clements memorial

Craig wrote:

>>>In terms of commercializing a book project of this nature, the best solution would be to use a "print on demand" service such as Lulu (www.lulu.com). That way, there is next to zero $$ invested up front, only the time and effort to put it all together and then books are printed as they are ordered and payed for, one at a time. A tidy profit can be made if it sells well. The money made can be sent to CJ's family.>>>

Good idea! It seems like a practicable way to avoid excess cost and investment. That way the edition would be infinite too, I believe.

 

The way we understand and interpret what we read is always related to our earlier experiences and knowledge, and this is true with what we write (mediate to others) also. In the beginning I had some difficulties to understand some of the reasoning there was in the WGD list discussions, and particularly in many events and happenings Cj referred to, with particular kind of people and dogs. I still have, but now I know why. The world of the American field trials with NAVHDA  and other similar organisations is the world Cj and others were often referring to, and it was also the world from where he had collected a part of his experiences from.

 

This is a more or less unknown world to me that I am unable to fully understand until I have actively been a part of it for a long time, just like it took at least 10 years for me to understand the Swedish system to some extent. During the years I have learned from the discussion that the view on dogs and their work can be a bit different from our view, although there are great variations on both sides of the ocean. However, this means that the one who reads more than one of Cj's posts is sooner or later bound to read one where general knowledge of the American field trial system, and the thinking behind it is needed, in order to fully understand Cj's article.

 

This also means that the one who is going to put his material into a context must understand and preferably have extensive experience of the American FT system and way of thinking and also how dogs are run in the American hunting grounds.

"Shut up and follow the dog! " is indeed an  exhortation just as appropriate here in the Scandinavia as most other places on earth. There is a lot of other stuff he wrote that is downright universally understandable, but unless someone from North America, or someone with equal knowledge of the NA system, makes the combination of the entire spectra of his material, the creation of a proper context might be jeopardized.

 

I think that as long as we offer something for nothing the receiver can not complain too much about lesser  erroneous details. If we want to sell something for money, then the receiver has the right to demand some kind of quality.

 

Well, I do not know. As I mentioned earlier I need to get my breath for awhile.

 

Torsti

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Jere Murray

To: working-gundog@web.whc.net

Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:20 PM

Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Clements memorial

Torsti,

One way to handle the transfer of  a large number of emails to  you might go like
this..

I could export all the emails I have on the two machines (one Win 95, The other Win
98SE - or Win xp) to one of them or to a separate machine using the export facility
of Outlook Express.

Having done that, I could open OE on that machine and delete everything except the
Cj emails.  Then the resulting db file can be sent to you.  Probably will be too
big for email so would have to be transferred differently.  Once you have it, you
could use OE or Outlook? to read it.  You may be able to do this on the machine you
usually use and still keep your regular email db intact.  I'm not too sure about
that.  Maybe someone else is up on the guts of OE and/or Outlook.

My first chore would be connecting two machines together and getting all the emails
in one spot.  I think I could handle that.

Your chore would be MASSIVE.  The emails will all be stored in the OE db.  Reading
them to select for content will be quite an undertaking.  I have somewhere upwards
of 5800 here, I think.  Then getting them into some regular machine readable
wordprocessor format could be tricky, but there should be an application that could
do that automatically.

Jere


> Torsti,
>
> Check the WGD archives at Rick's site.  The whole shebang (all of them) may be
> there.  If not, I may have virtually everyone here, though sending them somewhere
> could be a problem.  Guess I'd ftp them to some site and you could retrieve them.