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02/10/2009 11:04 AM  

Our 10 month old GSP has been a great addition to the family, she is well behaved in the house, she has become a very good hunting partner for her age and up to now she has been great with my 3 young children ages 7,5 &3.  She has liked to cuddle and rough house with me and my children depending on what the mood calls for.

However, recently when my 5 year old son goes to hug her or pet her when she is resting quietly she has growled at him. I have been feet away and have been able to step in and she immediately becomes submissive. This has scared the heck out of my wife and I.

Since the first time this has happened I have had my son feed her, making her sit first, walking her on a leash, making her sit while he went out the front door first for walks all trying to get the message across that my son is dominant. We have been doing all of this for a week and again this morning she growled at him when he went up to her to hug her.

Any thoughts or suggestions? We love the dog but wont tolerate a dog that behaves that way around children.

 

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02/10/2009 11:27 AM  
Hard to know totally what's going on, but I'll throw this out for consideration: I've been teaching my 3yo to not hug or kiss dogs (pet them nicely instead), and to leave them alone completely when they're sleeping or when they're eating. The problem is that while I can train MY dogs to put up with almost anything, she might then think she's got a green light to try it with other dogs that will not. Better safe than sorry IMO.

My Dulcie will be 11 this July, with one knee that's bunged up and probably arthritis in her rear end. She's actually more patient and tolerant of daughter's antics than I thought she would be (that fallout from the breakfast/dinner table gains the kid points, lol), but she's old and creaky and sometimes just wants to be left alone. If Dulcie growls I chide her of course, but I also tell daughter that this is a dog's only way of saying "BACK OFF" and she needs to pay attention to it. Most of the time I can see Dulcie rolling her eyes and looking exasperated before it gets that far though, and in that case I'll either remind both Dulcie and the kid to be nice, or just close Dulcie off in a gated area or room if it seems like she's earned a break.

Megan
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02/10/2009 11:32 AM  
Your right, I would be frighten with this behavior as well. What do you or your wife do when she does this? Your dog may be trying to climb the ladder in dominance. It's not uncommon at 10mths of age for a dog to become more assertive, however you also can't let her get away with it. I also must say, in the dogs defense,, That all dogs need down time. With 3 kids in the house, I'm sure this dog gets plenty of attention, but sometimes kids don't understand that dogs need uninterrupted rest. The dog could also be startled when woken up. The only way a dog can communicate his disapproval, is to growl, or get up and walk away.The walking away preferred. You may want to make sure the kids leave her alone when she is sleeping. What does she do if you or the kids touch her food when she is eating? Laura
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02/10/2009 11:45 AM  
Also, not all dogs enjoy being hugged. Mine will tolerate it but in the end -- I realize that they just do not enjoy such close, confined contact.
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02/10/2009 11:52 AM  

This is just my observation and is not in anyway scientific.  I work with all my shorthairs in the hope that someday they will become therapy dogs.  One thing I have noticed is that my shorthairs do not particularly care to by hugged when they are younger.  I had to work with Belle (she didn't pass her therapy test the first time through because of hugging issues) to get her to allow strangers to hug her. She didn't growl or anything, but she would pull away from whoever tried to hug her.  As she got a little older and I did allot of work with her, she began to allow hugging (although it still is not her favorite thing). So maybe the dog just isn't comfortable with what your 5 year old is doing and is telling you in the only way he knows how. 

I would not make a big deal about it.  Just correct the behavior and continue to look for ways that your 5 year old can interact with the dog.  The activities you are already doing are good.  Also, incorporate some obedience and don't forget play time.  You want the dog to begin to trust the 5 year old, but also think of him as fun too.  Just be patient and watchful.  This does not sound like aggression so much as a "leave me alone" thing.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

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02/10/2009 11:54 AM  
P.S. I have a ZERO tolerance policy towards aggression FWIW. Expressions of legitimate annoyance are allowed by everyone in the house because nobody is perfect, but there is a very clear understanding that the adults in charge will take over from there. I also encourage the dogs to come running to me if the kid is clobbering them with a pillow or something on that order- they understand that I WILL save them!

Megan
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02/10/2009 12:00 PM  

...and so you know, this dispute-resolution tactic DOES seem to work well. I came home the other day to this:

I was actually shocked that the dog had decided the 3yo could be trusted enough to fall asleep next to!


Megan
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02/10/2009 1:43 PM  

Bregon is 8 months old in the 2 pictures.

I also have ZERO tolerance. If it were my dog he would have gotton a good crack and if it happened again he would out the door. What if one of your children accidentally fall on the dog? And no one is near by? Would your dog bite your child?

These are the only type of dogs we wil allow in our home:



 



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02/10/2009 2:07 PM  

So here are my shorthairs with my 16 yo nephew.  If there were only a little more room on that sofa, then Ringo could be up there too.

Halo and Ringo sharing the bed with my nephew.

Belle and my nephew taking a nap.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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02/10/2009 2:08 PM  
You may wish to take your dog to the vet for a complete health check. If this behavior truly started suddenly, with no warning, then it is possible your pup is sore or hurting in some way. Just a thought.

Eleanor in NJ

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02/10/2009 8:44 PM  
Hey Bev, Your couch looks like mine,,,,full of shorthair,,,no room for people!!LOL Laura
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02/10/2009 9:17 PM  

That is the sofa in my fifth wheel. It is a little shorter than a normal sofa, but the dogs think it belongs to them.  Of course, I call my fifth wheel the Shorthair Express.  We were at the Glen Rose dog shows and my nephew went with me.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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02/11/2009 10:54 AM  
This morning kid climbed up on the bed where Dulcie was curled in a stubborn tight ball with one eye glaring at the outside world. Kid peeked over at the dog, looked up at me with her hand out in a 'stop' gesture, and said quite seriously "Don't touch Dulcie sleeping- she can get growly". Yup kid, let old sleeping dogs lie... she'd just grumble and move off, but Dulcie has earned her rest several times over. She can enjoy a couple more minutes of bed-time.

Besides, Rogan was more than happy to jump up next to kid and snort her in the face- there's always another dog around here to play with, lol.

Megan
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02/11/2009 11:02 AM  
Is Dulcie growling or grumbling? A growl is a warning.Dogs do make noises and they are not intended to show aggression. Emily, our six year old, says Bregon purrs when she pets him. I thought for sure she was telling a tale but she is right,when she pets him he makes a soft humming sound.




"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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02/11/2009 11:48 AM  
I used to have a 'moaner groaner' so I know exactly what you mean. Dulcie is just issuing a warning (before she bolts)- she doesn't want to be fallen on, stepped on, or jostled around especially first thing in the morning, and it's certainly not exclusive of the kid. Dulcie's not at all territorial, and she'll TRY to get away... but getting up is just slower these days. There's often a lot of snap-crackle-pop and she'll have varying degrees of stiffness for the first 10-20 feet. Pretty much like her owner, lol.

Fortunately she's got a high pain tolerance and just isn't going to bite unless it was a REALLY extenuating circumstance (and I can't even imagine what that would be since all kinds of people have handled her when she's been injured and she's been nothing but extraordinarily generous). I just close Dulcie in another room when I can keep an eye on her and daughter together. Daughter now outweighs Dulcie, so falling on the poor old hound could be tough on her.

Rimadyl is most likely in this dog's future, but I'm putting it off as long as possible since liver toxicity is an issue. Dulcie is one of those scrappy little dogs that could creak around to 17 otherwise.

Megan
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02/11/2009 12:12 PM  
Lacey grumbles too when anyone touches her back hips. Whether she is sleeping on my bed or hers, standing or sitting, in the car, me or anyone else who touches her back side, she'll give a rumble and look up with pleading eyes that say "please stop petting me there, i don't want to get up and walk away, maybe try scratching behind my ears. just not there"
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02/11/2009 1:56 PM  
That is great that you are involving your child in some of the dog related activities. Here are a few tips to keep you going.

Make sure that the dog always gives your (and any other) child space. When they are playing on the floor, when they are walking about etc. Do not allow crowding and bumping up against the kids.

At 10 mts your dog is in adolescent so keep in mind their behaviour will not always be predictable, hormones are all over the map at this point. Don't let that become an excuse though.

Be careful not to separate (even in your mind) the dog and the child. This will only make matters worse because in your dog's world you then will become to separate packs. You need to be one pack.

Don't allow the dog to touch anything of your childs...they not only need to respect your child but anything with their scent as well

Teach the kids to only give affection and pet the dog when they are in a calm state, but not sleeping. Teach them to make the dog aware of their presence first and invite the dog to come to them to receive the affection. Don't go to the dog make the dog come to you. Also tell them that if the dog walks away while you are petting it then that's enough and they need to give the dog that space.

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