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andyjen
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| 01/08/2009 7:33 PM |
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My husband and I are both teachers and failing our dog test with honors. We have 4 dogs and 3 are angels and one is a GSP....aka devil dog. We rescued her from the streets in March 07, she was a year old with adult heartworms. We even lied to the SPCA so she could start treatment before their 30 days waiting period that you should own a dog before treatment.
We live on an acre with 3 horses. We throw the tennis ball for at least 20 mins a day, go on LONG bike rides at full speed, and spend at least an hour at the barn daily playing with the dogs. The jack russell (10), lab (4), and kelpie (2) are just wonderful to be around. The GSP, even after all of her exercise, chases the horses, runs and finds mice (obsessively), barks and starts fights with the other dogs, pees on everything, eats the horses food (obsessively), digs out to find animals, and is driving us out of our minds. When it was too cold to leave her in the kennel in the barn, she came in the laundry room but somehow the door was not closed and she quietly made her way through the house, peeing on everything she passed (yes, she was fixed as soon as the heartworms were treated). She is kenneled during the day and out when we are home. The more we exercise her- the stronger she gets. We both know there is a screw loose and she isn't playing with a full deck. We also both know that there are kids that are overly medicated, and there are some kids that NEED their medication to even make it through the day. We are at the medication point with her and will try that before we find her a new home. My husband grew up with GSPs and never had one as bad as her. Some might consider her actions 'normal', but she doesn't fit in with the rest of the kids, she isn't normal !!
I can give more details, but I have to go put her in her kennel, she is barking at the horses again.
Any suggestions...?
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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andyjen
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| 01/08/2009 8:00 PM |
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Back from the barn....she saw me coming and went right to her kennel. She is actually great on a leash, sits, stays, lays...really we don't have a problem with that. I have tried to keep her on a leash around the barn and we don't have any problems. But it is the times that I have to do things around the horses where I can't keep her tied on me, that causes the problems. She starts fights when the other dogs are tired and resting and she just doesn't stop annoying them. She then gives up and goes after the horses. We have a shock collar and it works great, if you have the control in your hand at all times....why can't she learn just to stop the behavior after the first 10 jolts? If you say stop, she does and rolls over...walk in the house and she is at it 5 mins later. Therefore, she lives in a kennel most of the time. We have a bark collar, but if it is on her, she sits under the trailer and doesn't move...great when we need quiet, but it isn't fair because I'd keep it on her all day if I could. Bottom line: she has good days and bad days. Sometimes she is the model dog and we just love her. But a few days later--- it is a different dog. |
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MOOSE1 Fruitport, MI
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| 01/09/2009 8:58 AM |
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Sounds to me like you don't have the patience to deal with her. This is pretty normal for GSP behavior in a dog that isn't getting enough stimulation honestly. If t hey don't have a job they find the next best thing to pick on. Find her a job! Like agility, rally, obedience classes. Take her out away from the house and farm and socalize her. It almost sounds to me like you expected her to be this calm dog like the rest of your crew and she isn't. She is BOARD! Teach her tricks etc. Just exercise isn't enough for these guys. They need to have mind stimulation as well. Our GSP's are constantly picking on eachother. Especially this time of year when the weather has gone to crap and they are inside more. But I work very hard to work on obedience and games with them every day to stimulate their minds. A board GSP is a HORRIBLE GSP. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 01/09/2009 10:54 AM |
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I would have to agree with Moose. GSPs are really smart and need mental stimulation. Working the mind of the dog also tires them out. That is why I suggested you enroll in obedience with her. It gets you both away from the house and it works her and her GSP brain. Tricks as Moose said are also good. Find games work really well with these guys and also teach tracking skills. GSPs are not normal laid back dogs which is why many end up in shelters. However, if you work with her and stimulate that GSP brain she should calm down some.
I still recommend a behaviorist too to assess your situation as it still sounds like there may be some pack issues going on as well. By the way there is nothing wrong with leaving the bark collar on her all day. She will get used to it and come out eventually and if it helps the situation why not. Just take it off at night when she comes in to go to bed. Also, you should still do the other activities with her.
GSPs are wonderful dogs once you realize you have to spend some time working with them. I have three and wouldn't trade them for the world, but I work on training with them every day (usually 3 times a day in 10 - 15 minute increments). I won't take you that long as you have only one. In the morning work on a recall, around noon do heeling, and in the evening do sits and downs. Even it she knows the commands you can work on perfecting and proofing (addind distractions). Some other good commands are leave it, watch me, easy, etc. You can setup a play agility course with jumps and things in your yard (just use what you have on hand and be creative) and work her on that course as well. Spend time having fun with her instead of always fussing at her. You will be surprised at the dog that emerges. Be patient and consistent. Good luck!! |
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carlower1 Kansas
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| 01/09/2009 11:05 AM |
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Sounds to me like you have a combination of trust/behavior issues. It is not uncommon for an abandoned dog to go through some emotional tourmoil/territorial issues thanks to their being dumped. Same with food hording/gorging... it is not uncommon for someone who has experienced starvation to grab what food they can for a just-in-case issue. Traditionally peeing on things is a marking issue.. is she fixed? That may fix the marking instinct. There is a good chance that the more comfortable you ALL become with this being her forever home, that some of these behaviors will calm down. I see that you have had her for almost a year, and some rescue dogs take a bit longer than others to "adapt" into a family. Somthing else to take a look at is: are your other dogs inside? are you giving the impression that they are getting more attention than she is, since she is in the kennel in the barn. She may be trying to get any attention the only way she knows how. While I am not sure Moose's comment about you not having the patience to deal with her is accurate, I do agree with your need to find her a job! Have work for her to do on a daily basis so that mentally she is challenged and stops trying to engage her brain on her own. Most young kids and dogs when bored will find ways to entertain themselves... Also something to keep in mind... GSP's love to roughhouse especially younger GSP's... and if you are not familiar with the "game" it looks like someone is picking a fight. This is a form of play for them. Just make sure that you are not encouraging aggressive behavior. Meanwhile... I would invest in a good bark collar, if you don't want her barking at all, and utilize that in combination with positive reinforcement when she is doing the things you WANT her to do. Give her work to do when she is near you... I know this sounds wierd, but one of my neighbors has trained their Mastif to "Bring me" and he helps "stack" the firewood or other heavy items when they are working. I would strongly encourage getting her into some sort of training class and repeat the class as often as you need. Carrie |
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pixie bee
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| 01/10/2009 10:33 AM |
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I agree with most of what has ben posted. I don't necessarily think you need to give a job as much as you need to get the dog's mind to focus,thru obedience training, and teach the dog how to calm down. She needs to learn to be happy AND calm at the same time. This will come thru teaching obedience. Her mind is bored and she is not tired so she looks for avenues to release this built up energy. When she is excited,causing trouble, sit her. A dog should be able to sit,whoa,lay down,heel and hold an object-on a sit,heel or whoa command or while walking, for 20 minutes. This is worked up to over many sessions. Until your dog can do this she is not focusing on you or the command. The reason your dog goes back to the unwanted behavior is b/c she has not been taught what it is she is supposed to do instead. The collar does not teach. And worse, she may think the shock is coming from themother dog,which is time can cause more problems. I do not thik you have a pack issue, I think you have a dog that is bored. She is young and at an age where she is feeling her oats. Chasing balls or activities that are not structured only re-inforces unwanted behavior. If you want to chase tennis balls, have her wait until sent(be steady),teach a solid recall and have her sit until you remove the object from her mouth. Do not give her every retrieve. You retrieve a few.She can be steady while you get them or she can heel. When she is "bothering" the other dogs, this is your cue that she needs mental stimulation. It's time for another training session. Dogs are like children, leave them to their own devices and you WILL have a mess to clean up. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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andyjen
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| 01/10/2009 8:36 PM |
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Thanks for all of the advice. My husband and I have read them and agree that she is BORED and needs some mental stimulation. I admit that I do not have the patience to deal with her, nor the time. This is his dog and he will have to take the time to follow through with the advice. We are brainstorming ideas that will for our situation. We cannot ever bring her inside without being in a kennel. She will pee on everything and yes, she is fixed. Today she had a great day, but she was out and able to sniff the tree line for birds. Tomorrow, could be a different story. |
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bravepoint North Gower, ON Canada
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| 01/11/2009 10:08 AM |
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Have you ruled a medical reason for the peeing issues?
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andyjen
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| 01/11/2009 10:30 AM |
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She is enrolled in the Banfield pet wellness program and just came back from the vet with no issues. She looks like a male dog sniffing corners and then purposely marks the area as hers. We are going back to the vet this week to talk about other medication and having a trainer come out in the next few weeks. We are still set that she has a chemical balance issue- in the 2 years we have had her, we have changed nothing with the way we handle her. Some days she just acts out (even if we have been out all day playing with her and letting her run)..... We have successfully trained 3 dogs and 3 horses.......all with different personalities. Sometimes she just isn't on her game. We need a place to let her run that is close to home. Our game ranch is fenced in with high fence and she can run and chase deer and birds until she can't move anymore. It is a 5 hour drive and we just can't go that often. |
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pixie bee
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| 01/11/2009 2:45 PM |
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I wouldn't rule out an imbalance. Some females do mark like males. Have you attempted to housebreak her at any point? You could use the e-colllar for the marking but I would not use it for housebreaking. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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andyjen
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| 01/24/2009 6:57 PM |
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| Just wanted to give an update. We put her on Reconcile (doggie Prozac) and it has been 2 weeks. SHE IS A DIFFERENT DOG. I can NOW see why people like GSPs. She listens to us and has lost her aggression/anxiety issues. The medication is suppose to take at least a month to see a change, but within a week we saw a difference. Other vistors who know her even see a big difference. She stills runs and plays, so don't worry she is not overly medicated. Thanks for the advice! |
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carlower1 Kansas
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| 01/27/2009 2:04 PM |
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I am glad you found a solution. Carrie |
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