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10/02/2008 4:35 AM  
When we discuss dogs we often use expressions like "innate behaviour", "fixed action pattern", "trigger level" and such scientific stuff. This is of course needed to keep the discussion understandable and on grounds of facts. However at least I am now and then brutally awakened from this scientific and dry view of dogs, and find that they are made of thoughts and feelings as well as .muscle and blood that are governed by innate behaviours.
 
Last night I came home from a fast trip north to get a big bunch of "dental care for dogs" = moose bones for Briz and the puppy we probably will have sometimes this winter. Since it is a long drive I stayed over night at our friends house along the road. They are the ones with the Irish setters and we met them in the mountains some 13 - 14 years ago. Hence we have hunted grouse with them and their dogs every year since then. Our dogs and their dogs have come along very well and they have become really good friends for life, it seems. The ceremony when we have parked outside their house has always been rather heartbreaking, the dogs have been wild of joy and really shown how much they like each other. They have not been able to find out how to fully express their happiness.
 
Today their oldest setter has passed away and the second oldest must be 11 - 12 years old. She is just called "Setter" and she knows us and our dogs very well and she loved our late Foxy. When I arrived Tuesday evening she first turned very happy but then, when she could not see Foxy she started to search for her in the house like Foxy perhaps had sneaked into the house before me. She became very sorry and started to whimper and looked unhappy and worried. I got a tear in my eye when I understood that there are other creatures but me and Maud who were missing Foxy. Setter was depressed all night and not before next morning was she normal again, having slept the night with me.
 
Well, whatever it was a good reminder that dogs are more than a bunch of "innate behaviours with fixed action patterns" :-)))
 
Then again, what little I have read about human behaviour, the shrinks think of us the same way we on this list discuss dogs. To the better or worse?  Is my yearning to kill still another deer a fixed action pattern or an innate behaviour? I do not know...
 
Torsti
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"Ask not what your dog can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your dog."
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10/03/2008 1:49 PM  
Agreed and still hoping for some consistent ways to "know" that. We need to devise tests for dogs that clearly show they react in more complex ways to some situations. Can they really solve problems? Jere ... > Well, whatever it was a good reminder that dogs are more than a bunch of "innate > behaviours with fixed action patterns" :-))) >
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10/04/2008 4:31 AM  
For some reason our dogs and these particular Irish setters developed this deep relation. Most often I do miss-interpret the dogs thoughts but in this particular situation I and the owners of the setters were sure of what we saw.
 
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
"Ask not what your dog can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your dog."
www.rospigan.net
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Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Subjectiveness or unbiassed

Agreed and still hoping for some consistent ways to "know" that.  We need to devise
tests for dogs that clearly show they react in more complex ways to some
situations.  Can they really solve problems?

Jere
...
> Well, whatever it was a good reminder that dogs are more than a bunch of "innate
> behaviours with fixed action patterns" :-)))
>

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