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rospigan
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| 09/03/2008 9:49 AM |
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Sonia!
Do you know what happened to the British "The
Sporting Dog" magazine that I bought in UK around 1990 - 94 ? I guess it had the
same publisher as The Sporting Clay. It was a good spaniel and retriever
magazine and I still miss it.
We had a similar magazine here, including all
gundogs, but it only lasted for about five years. I guess that dog owners are
not prepared to pay for knowledge, they know better than the best Swedish
behavioural scientist.
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
"Ask not what your dog
can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your dog."
www.rospigan.net
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soniaskinner
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| 09/03/2008 2:16 PM |
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Re: [working-gundog] Sonia!
Torsti,
I think it has finished. Coincidentally I have only just given away some of those magazines which I had kept over the years, as am having a tidy up. Just been upstairs and find I still have some left, they were called “Sporting Dog” then “Sporting Dog and Gamekeeper”, I have one dated 1995 called “Game Keeper and Sporting Dog”! I have a vague memory that the magazine joined up with another one and it was more Lurchers and terriers and I lost my interest.
I have just had a look on the internet and could see nothing. It is sad that these kind of magazines fold up; there was an excellent one called the New Gundog but that finished after about 2 years through lack of interest.
Sonia
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rospigan
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| 09/04/2008 4:25 AM |
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Re: [working-gundog] Sonia!
Sonia!
What British magazine do you think that today
contains most spaniel stuff?
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
"Ask not what your dog
can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your dog."
www.rospigan.net
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:08
PM
Subject: Re: [working-gundog]
Sonia!
Torsti,
I think it has finished.
Coincidentally I have only just given away some of those magazines which
I had kept over the years, as am having a tidy up. Just been
upstairs and find I still have some left, they were called Sporting Dog then
Sporting Dog and Gamekeeper, I have one dated 1995 called Game Keeper and
Sporting Dog! I have a vague memory that the magazine joined up with
another one and it was more Lurchers and terriers and I lost my
interest.
I have just had a look on the internet and could see nothing.
It is sad that these kind of magazines fold up; there was an excellent
one called the New Gundog but that finished after about 2 years through lack
of interest.
Sonia
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soniaskinner
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| 09/04/2008 12:08 PM |
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Re: [working-gundog] Sonia!
Torsti,
I don’t really know, I think there is only the “Shooting Times” and “Shooting Gazette” and I don’t get to see either of those as it is not politically correct to sell them in the main newsagent or the supermarket here in Malvern! The Shooting Times does have the odd dog article. If I see my spaniel man tomorrow, I will ask him for you.
Are you thinking about buying a spaniel?!
Sonia
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rospigan
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| 09/04/2008 1:42 PM |
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Re: [working-gundog] Sonia!
>>>I dont really know,
I think there is only the Shooting Times and Shooting Gazette and I dont
get to see either of those as it is not politically correct to sell them in the
main newsagent or the supermarket here in Malvern! The Shooting Times does
have the odd dog article. If I see my spaniel man tomorrow, I will ask him
for you.>>>
Gives me shivers! Over here it
is not politically correct to sell sex magazines in provision merchant's but you
can most often find several different hunting magazines and sometimes a gun
magazine also.
>>>Are you thinking about buying a
spaniel?! Sonia>>>>
All the time! The question is if I ever pull the
trigger, so to say.
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
"Ask not what your dog
can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your dog."
www.rospigan.net
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soniaskinner
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| 09/04/2008 1:54 PM |
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Re: [working-gundog] Sonia!
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Sonia!
What British magazine do you think that today contains most spaniel stuff?
Torsti
Torsti, I have just been playing with some websites and this one does have a few things about Springer Spaniels which may be of interest.
http://www.spanielsinthefield.com/links2.asp
Sonia
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rospigan
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| 09/05/2008 12:57 AM |
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Re: [working-gundog] Sonia!
Thanks for your effort! I have visited the
site earlier and as far as I can understand it is an American magazine, in deed!
In USA the spaniel trials are very different from the European and hence their
philosophy about spaniel training might confuse me a lot. In fact I believe it
was in the now dead Sporting Gundog magazine I read about their
trials, being reported by a British field trial judge who visited
them.
However that was long ago ,1995 or earlier, and
Spaniels in the field might advocate the British style of training and trialling
dogs, does anyone on this list know about it???
The price for a 2 years overseas subscription of
The Spaniels in the Field is in fact less than 1 year of the British magazine
The Shooting Times, for ex.
Some days ago I sent a request for a bitch to one of the
British kennels mentioned on the website. I specified "a good
looking, black and white bitch that has the
potential to win both trials and the heart of a true hunter".
They are probably still laughing their ass of but I could not resist  ))
This is the reason why I cant order one by phone or mail,
should I mention the appearance of the dog they would not think I am serious.
Hence I would have to go to UK and select one of my style without saying a word
about the appearance to the kennel owner.
The way spaniel matters have developed in this country the
appearance is more important than ever. A friend of mine who runs ES thought he
would have use for a spaniel also. When he found out that you often can not from
the appearance tell the difference between a Swedish cocker and a springer, he
had to think twice. In addition the spaniel "mixtures" look either
like cows, or cowboys that have been sitting on the horseback for too many
years.
If you are not very observant about the appearance, a good
efficient appearance will fade away pretty fast. Our late Foxy was a show
champion and there was a reason for this. Her daughter Briz can never become
that. There is the clear practical difference between their style of running.
Foxy had the very efficient, energy saving style of running that we call
"the flowing gallop". All energy is used to push the dog forward and nothing is
wasted to move the dog in the vertical direction. Briz has a more jumpy style
and can never have the stamina to cover as much land as Foxy
had.
My late Springer had an excellent stamina and she was good
looking indeed. Good looks (from a hunters point of view)comes with an efficient
appearance. I have no reason to be satisfied with anything less than that.
However Springers appearance seems to be a ghost of the past, she was born in
1993 when men still were men and the sheep were nervous... Seriously I believe
the Badgercourt spaniels had a great influence on her appearance. Badgercourt
has been out of business for long now and I do not know how their absence
affect the market.
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
"Ask not what your dog can do
for you.
Ask what you can do for your dog."
www.rospigan.net
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soniaskinner
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| 09/05/2008 2:31 AM |
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Re: [working-gundog] Sonia!
Torsti,
The website address I sent you was nothing to do with a magazine, though there were some American kennels on it, though mainly British. I thought the individual kennels may have been of interest, that you could contact them and see if you could find a Black and White long legged spaniel, I am sure they wouldn’t laugh, well not all of them There was a wee bit about training, not much. There are long legged spaniels about as I knew some.
Badgercourt Moss has left his mark, his genes must still be going!
How about getting addresses of gundog clubs and then asking the secretary if he/she knows of long legged spaniels? Worcestershire Gundog Society has a web site. I think the short legged spaniels are favoured here as the “bash the cover” but the long legged ones I knew could certainly cover the distance!
Sonia
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soniaskinner
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| 09/05/2008 12:54 PM |
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Re: [working-gundog] Sonia!
Torsti,
I saw my “spaniel man” this afternoon and he said that The Shooting Times was the best magazine for articles on ESS, he thought there was another magazine called Sporting Gun but wasn’t sure if it contained articles on dogs.
He also said that (sadly for you) long legs in ESS are being bred out. He suggested you contact Ian Openshaw who has won several trials, he may know where you can find what you desire. I have just been on Ian’s website and there are some pictures of Black and White Springers! Though I guess you have probably already been on his site
My spaniel man and I did some brief training and Drift brought the dummy back every time, so that is an improvement as Ron had two ESS with him and it is usually the presence of other dogs and people which causes the annoying behaviour of playing keep away with the dummy.
Sonia
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rospigan
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| 09/05/2008 2:30 PM |
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Re: [working-gundog] Sonia!
I suspected that the Shooting Times is the best
magazine since it is the most expensive ) There is a gundog department
in the Sporting Gun also but not that much. I read it now and then through a
friend and it is otherwise a very nice and interesting magazine. I subscribed it
for a number of years but as the UK£ increased in value too much I quit the
subscribtion. Perhaps I should take the Shooting Times now despite of the
cost.
I know Ian Openshaw, everyone in Sweden with a
working spaniel knows him. He is a professional so he knows precisely what he is
doing and it is said that he never sell his best dogs, you want even see them if
you visit him. I do not know if it is true.
Thanks for the help!
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
"Ask not what your dog
can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your dog."
www.rospigan.net
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:43
PM
Subject: Re: [working-gundog]
Sonia!
Torsti,
I saw my spaniel man this
afternoon and he said that The Shooting Times was the best magazine for
articles on ESS, he thought there was another magazine called Sporting Gun but
wasnt sure if it contained articles on dogs.
He also said that (sadly
for you) long legs in ESS are being bred out. He suggested you contact
Ian Openshaw who has won several trials, he may know where you can find what
you desire. I have just been on Ians website and there are some
pictures of Black and White Springers! Though I guess you have probably
already been on his site
My spaniel man and I did some brief
training and Drift brought the dummy back every time, so that is an
improvement as Ron had two ESS with him and it is usually the presence of
other dogs and people which causes the annoying behaviour of playing keep away
with the dummy.
Sonia
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