prairiefire Western Wisconsin
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| 08/27/2007 2:00 PM |
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I'm a firm subscriber to the "a sleeping puppy is a good puppy" philosophy. But I've been wondering...in general, at what age will I begin to see his uppermost daily exercise requirements? He's now 6 1/2 months old. Is he there yet? Or will he really turn on the juice in the next year or two? I've seen posters here recommend anywhere from 1 1/2 hours to 3 hours a day, but every dog is different. Is there a point when you begin to see where your individual dog falls on the spectrum?
As a freelancer who works from a home office, I'm able to take Otto out for frequent off-leash runs throughout the day. At this stage in the game, he seems pretty happy and hasn't wreaked any major havoc on our house (knock on wood).
Just curious...
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MegC Ellensburg, WA
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| 08/27/2007 4:38 PM |
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I think in our dogs it has peaked at 2-3 years. And you can get away with less time spent exercising if you make said workout more intense... which is how I've talked a few folks into mushing with their dogs, which quickly takes on a life of it's own and then the discussion is about how to work the dog up to doing more miles... |
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prairiefire Western Wisconsin
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| 08/27/2007 6:18 PM |
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I'm DEFINITELY interested in learning more about this. I was wondering how I was going to keep Otto tired and happy this winter--and this sounds like a great solution! I've got some research to do, but will definitely be peppering you with questions shortly.
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Marie Wisconsin
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| 08/27/2007 9:59 PM |
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I would keep up Otto's off leash walks even in the winter. Just wear warm enough cloths to stay to be able to stay outside for as long as your dog needs. Rocky seems to spark up even more in Wisconsin winters and loves the snow. Since Rocky loves year round tennis ball toss sessions, my husband snowblows him a ball toss path in our backyard. That way we don't lose as many tennis balls. Running thur deep snow fields burns off more GSP energy!!! Good luck and enjoy this winter!!! |
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Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab18/Annette_Merryfield/100_0285.jpg?t=1287205231 |
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Marie Wisconsin
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| 08/27/2007 10:20 PM |
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Rocky on a Wisconsin winter run in deerland country burning winter GSP energy!!! |
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Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab18/Annette_Merryfield/100_0285.jpg?t=1287205231 |
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prairiefire Western Wisconsin
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| 08/27/2007 10:22 PM |
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I love the retrieve track--great idea! Those tennis balls are sooo easy to lose in the deep snow.
As far as keeping warm, I'm not concerned about myself. I was born and raised in the Twin Cities, so I've dealt with my fair share of intensly cold, snowy winters. And after college (never lost that freshman 10) and two pregnancies (there's just more of me to love!), I've developed a good layer of, oh, let's call it insulation? But what about Otto, a.k.a. Skeletor? The kid is skin and bones, and with no coat to speak of--how tolerant of the cold winters will he be? I certainly expected to get out there with him, but assumed they would be frequent, short outings. Is that not the case? Are there any special precautions I should take with him?
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Marie Wisconsin
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GSPJustin Fremont, CA
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| 08/27/2007 11:03 PM |
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My dog has really seemed to peak on his energy needs. I used to go by the 3 rule. 3 hours or 3 miles. Being if I couldn't take him on a hike through the hills, I would walk/jog/bike ride 3 miles so he could get enough exercise for that day. Of coarse they do need off days. However it seems like he needs more now to reach a point of consistent energy release to be content. Which leads me to a comparison to what Meg has already said. If you have a couch potato it wont take much to keep him tired. But if you have an athlete,( Hunter, Skijorer..sp?.., etc) It will take more to keep him content. 8 months ago School was really heavy so I wasn't doing all the much with my pooch. But now he is in great shape and training/hunting a couple days a week. Running a couple days and still getting some exercise on the off days. WHICH leads me to something else Meg said =]. GSP's are very adaptable. If there is snow outside let them play in it and then bring them in. They will learn that they have to be good in the house even when its hard to. How well they do that will depend on you, and how consistent you are and how many bones/indoor toys you provide to keep there wondering minds enticed. I know mine after a while got into a spot where even if his routine wasn't everything he wanted, and when he wanted, he would still relax enough in the house to be a pleasurable dog. Skijoring is a good thing to look into. I'm afraid to because as soon as I do they will ban it in the state of California. : / |
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MegC Ellensburg, WA
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| 08/27/2007 11:48 PM |
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There's actually some folks skijoring in the California mountains, although there like everywhere else the challange is finding ski-able trails that are OK with dogs. Most set track ski areas don't allow dogs, and if they do, it's for LOOSE dogs- which present a severe hazard. For whatever reason loose dogs that are normally OK with other loose dogs will often cheap-shot dogs in harness. This get really dangerous when an agressive strange dog gets tangled in the lines. 
I personally focus on snomobile trails that are used mainly by locals, and I try to hit them on weekdays or weekend nights. I train my dogs to stay to the right just to make passes smooth and make sure to smile and wave at every kind 'biler that goes by. A little good will goes a long way IMO. 
Age to train: most mushers harness break and do very short, happy runs at 6 months. By 9-12 months they're putting more milage on. The big thing is to make sure it's not too mentally stressful on young dogs. If you're taking pat-the-puppy breaks and coming back in when pupalupagus still wanted to do a little more, you'll be fine.
While there is an oft-repeated old saw about waiting until 'joints are closed', it seems that sled dogs from wildly different gene pools starting work at under a year old are often still out there on the trail at 10 years and beyond with a MUCH lower incidence of osteo problems than the general canine population. I wish I was young and rich and could go back to school to be a vet, because I would love to do a study on this. Besides being well exercised, sled dogs are typically kept very lean and fed higher protien and fat rations than the average pet from puppyhood onward.... maybe diet is the key here? Dunno, but I'd sure have fun teasing the data on this subject. Clearly there's something vastly different going on here than what vets are warning pet owners about. |
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kmoalbany
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| 08/28/2007 8:51 AM |
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I have 2 GSPs with pretty different exercise needs. They are both high energy (ha what GSP isn't?) but Simon tends to need a bigger combo of physical exercise -- fetch, walks, runs AND some mental stuff like games and toys that make him work to eat etc. Jasmine is just plain ole HYPER Well, everyone else that meets her thinks she's hyper I think she's perfect. She's one of those dogs that just twitches with energy. Her tail and body are 100 mph 24/7! We do work all day, so she's pretty much on down time during the 7-5 work day but from the moment we get home at 5 until we go to bed at 10/11 Jasmine is playing. Lucky for us she LOVES other dogs and we have other dogs so she just picks her way through them playing with each until they are exhausted and then she moves on! Jas is a rescue from a shelter estimated about 4 so we hope she stays like this forever! My guess is Simon (will be 2 in October) will mellow more than Jasmine, just seems to be his nature. Oh and as for snow. Winter is brutal on Simon he HATES the cold. HATES IT. Tail tucked, paws raised wants NOTHING to do with being outside in the winter. Last winter was unseasonably warm in upstate NY I have NO idea what we will do with him this winter, he refuses to do anything but huddle at the door in the snow/cold. Jasmine on the other hand we have to force inside she'd run in the snow and cold all day! |
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prairiefire Western Wisconsin
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| 08/28/2007 12:59 PM |
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Thanks everyone for the feedback! I definitely want to find a structured activity that we'll both enjoy this winter--otherwise, it's way too easy to wimp out and come in by the fire. Until the discovery of my favorite shoes/new dog chew toy that is...
We recently built a house at the base of an old ski resort (this is Wisconsin, so think extreme sledding), so the terrain really comes in handy when I need to wear Otto out in a hurry. MegC--are there any special precautions you need to take when pulling up hill? Or do you walk up moderate inclines? (I'm thinking about my youngest son--I'm not so dillusional as to expect that string bean to cart my carcass uphill on his own.) 
I definitely see that Otto needs those mental challenges like Simon, so over the winter I'll be working on our basic obedience commands from a distance and with greater distractions (and with three boys, those aren't hard to come by!). My fear is that Otto will react to the winter like Simon has. If that's the case, how do I meet his physical exercise needs? How do you do it, Kate?
If anyone else has suggestions for keeping their GSPs happy and sane during the winter, I'd sure love to hear them!
Thanks.
Sarah
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MegC Ellensburg, WA
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| 08/28/2007 1:15 PM |
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My dogs don't like rain or mixed rain and snow, but they all go INSANE when we get a good fluffy dump of white. Of course they associate snow with sledding/skijoring since they were pups... I don't know if that makes a difference.
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kmoalbany
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| 08/28/2007 2:52 PM |
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I can get him to play some fetch, and I do force him to go for walks. He has to get SOME exercise or he's a PITA in the house. Then inside we do some obedience and trick work which helps. When I notice him getting rammy I will manage to make him play some fetch and walk. But instead of the warmer months where he drives me to play until my arm falls off or my legs are exhausted int he winter he'll head for the door after a few passes. He does get less exercise in the cold months, but I think for him it works out, just keeping his little boney butt warm int he colder temps seems to wear him out. Plus I have other dogs in the house so I get a bit more liberal about dogs wrestling and playing in the living room. In the summer when they start that up I kick their buns outside, in the winter I let them go  |
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prairiefire Western Wisconsin
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| 08/28/2007 4:35 PM |
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I can definitely see the benefit of a second pupster, but there's no way I'm talking the hubby into number two into the foreseeable future.
Does anyone else use neoprene vests, or some other type of doggie blanket--or do you think they are generally unnecessary? And if you do, do your dogs forgive you for it? Poor Rocky looks completely emasculated... 
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Marie Wisconsin
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| 08/28/2007 4:57 PM |
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Sarah,
Activities I do to keep high energy Rocky exercised in winter: 1. Toss balls with chuck-it from inside my door out in our back yard. I stay inside warm while Rocky goes after the ball. Then I open the door when he comes back and he drops it on the plastic mat I have laying down. 2. Because it gets dark in December at 4:30pm, I have plastic balls that light up with motion that I can toss out the back door or inside down the basement steps. Also I clear a side in our basement to toss balls down there on sub zero days. (Hope you have a basement.) Also we play hide and seek in the house. Hide a tasty chew treat and have Otto "hunt it up".In my basement we have stuffed animals that I got from rummage sales for Rocky to dig out shake around and have fun Zoomie, Zoomie time. I also have a stuffed Greenbay Packer football and every time the Packers make a touch down, we shout "touch down!!!!" grab Rocky's football and go to the back yard and throw Rocky's Football out the door so Rocky can make a touch down and the kids get a real kick out of that. Now when we just say touch down, Rocky heads for the back door ready to make a touch down with his football. Also thru out the winter I make alot of toys for Rocky. ei. Stuff tennis balls in socks. Tie pheasant wings from our hunts tied to his dummies for added interest. Loves snowblown paths and if we get a deep snow can create a maze with the paths toss the ball in the maze and have Otto hunt it up. These are just activities you can do at home with the kids or by yourself with Otto to entertain, This will be Rocky's 5th winter coming up with us. Sorry to say, Rocky's energy level is the same as the day we adopted him so I am always up for more ideas too |
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Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab18/Annette_Merryfield/100_0285.jpg?t=1287205231 |
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prairiefire Western Wisconsin
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| 08/28/2007 5:21 PM |
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Oh, I don't mind the energy. I'm much like you--I need an incentive to get myself out the door. And keeping this little rascal from eating the walls is more than enough!
I read your message to my son, Noah (who claims he bleeds green and gold). He squealed and then took off in search of a football to begin training. Great idea! Only problem is he has a twin brother that is a die-hard Vikings fan. Seems we'll need to hunt down a second football for "the opposition"!
I do remember reading an older post about someone playing hide and seek with their dog--I'll have to give that a try as well. That will be a great one to involve the kids in. |
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MOOSE1 Fruitport, MI
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| 08/28/2007 7:17 PM |
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We have a Neoprene vest. We use it during winter for hunting. Just like the one posted above. Our GSP loves his. and man is he ever WARM under that when I take it off!!! Wowsers! We also do dock jumping even during the winter. These events during winter are indoors but the water tends to only be like 40 digrees or so so after each jump they get towled down and a nice coat goes on them to keep them warm. The coat we just got our boy is actualy just like a turn out blanket for horses. Once I get it in I will post a picture of it here. They wear their coats a lot in the winter! I think they think they are cool in them as we are proud when they wear them as well!  |
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kmoalbany
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| 08/29/2007 9:38 AM |
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| I may try a neoprene vest -- poor Si just HATES being cold. And he's my skin and bones boy, he's FINALLY filling out a little (will be 2 in Oct) but basically he's very thin with no insulation, thanks for the idea! |
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| 08/29/2007 11:12 AM |
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What a bunch of great ideas, I walk Lady daily in the morning and have since the first day we got her. Our walks have gone from 5 minutes when she was a baby to about 45 minutes now. We have a half section (320 acres one mile by 1/2 mile for those unfamiliar with the way land is divided up here in Alberta) of mostly open hay fields with lots of hills and little bits of bush in the creek bottoms. I have also gone from a size 16 to approaching a 12. It's awesome and I can't beg out even if it is raining cause my girl is ready to go. I have thought about a jacket for her and probably will get one and wear it on her once it snows. She shivers lots now when the mornings are frosty but loves roaming throught the hay and getting soaked. I heard that tennis balls aren't that good for dogs, the fuzz does something? Is that wrong? We have squeekies and a canvas hunting dummy we throw for her to tire her out if she has to be kennelled for a long time. I love it when she is so tired she sleeps!! Newt |
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MegC Ellensburg, WA
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| 08/29/2007 11:27 AM |
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FWIW I've had a few different jackets and I've liked the one I got for sled dogs better than the one I picked up at the feed store. The mushing jacket wasn't stiff so it doesn't lift up off the back if the dog is curled up.
Dulcie's jacket is something like this: http://dogbooties.com/indogjacsmal.html |
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Megan + Dulcie (Lehmschlog's The Right Spot) + Rogan (Lehmschlog's BR Rogan) + Anya (Lehmschlog's Anya O Conchobar) Intro to harness sport/mushing- start here! |
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