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08/08/2007 6:46 PM  

I rescued a dog from the local shelter (Casey) and I was told she is a GSP mix.  She is about 2 years old and is fixed.  I have had her for about 5 months.  She was in the shelter for three months before I adopted her.  She came from a family that gave her up due to her digging.  The only notes on her was that she was not good with small children but children over 12 are fine.  I had a cat so the shelter did a little test and said she would be fine with cats and she was (she hasn't killed them).  She is about 40 pounds and has a endless supply of energy.  I figured she was digging becuase she didn't get enough exercise but since my husband and I take walks regularly, I figured this would not be an issue.  I was wrong.  Her immidately behavioral problems were getting into the trash the second you left the room as if her life depended on being a scavanger, digging holes in the yard, and this list of weird nervous habits which includes chewing on her entire foot (prefers the back ones) chasing her tail and sucking on her back hind quarter of her leg.  This only happens when she seem distressed and nervous.  She was house broken and did sit and shake on command but was not very good about being on a leash.  She also has this thing with her blankets and bedding.  She drags the blanket into the middle of the yard and will not let it stay in the doghouse.  She does sleep on the blanket but first it has to be dragged around the yard.  She has a dog bed next to my side of the bed and that is her area and she loves to sleep on the bed.  It's the one thing that I think she really feels comfortable with and never does any damage to.  We have a dog door so that she can enter and exit as she wants unless we choose to lock her out.  She only get locked out during the middle of the day since she will do house damage if she has too much energy and holes in the yard are better than house itmes.

I have found that if she gets at least 90 minutes of exercise and gets to sleep in the room with us and not left outside that most of her issues do not surface but anything less and she becomes a real pain in the ass.  No walk first thing in the morning will almost certainly get you a new hole in the yard by the time you get home from work.  Put her outside for the night and you will have a hole.  She also now howls at me while I trying to get up and dressed in the morning as an indicator of her need for a walk.  Sometimes I don't feel up to walking her so I put her in the car and drive one mile to some back hills on dirt roads and let her out and then drive.  She runs up to 30 mph and seems to enjoy it but that only takes 15 minutes and then she's back in the car to go home.  That also is not enough for her even though she running top speeds and is tired, it doesn't last.  Only prolonged walks seem to work.  She has just started peeing in the back  of my car.  I've never seen her do this but my car started to stink so I borrowed a black light and found that there wer multiple spots so it wasn't a one time thing but is new and I don't know why she's doing that as the car ride is very short.   We got two new kittens and she is tolerant of them but they make her nervous and she gets jealous of all of the cats if we pet them or even talk to them.  This is one of the big things that gets her going with the sucking of the body.  She is also now fearful of my husband as if he has beaten her over the last three weeks.  She used to love him but now cowers if he moves to fast or even looks at her.  Other times she reacts normally to him but we can find no reason for this new fear.

We have a trash can with a lid to prevent her from scavanging.  This has cured that issue. 

She is decent on a leash but appears to be gaining in aggressive behavior twards other dogs on the back sides of fences during our walks.  She didn't used to react.  She loves to chase critters.  Ther are quail and lizzards everywhere.  When we walk her in the hills we usually let her run free so that she can chase and burn as much energey as possible but I think  this creates a new problem with other behavior issues such as the aggressive nature with other dogs and not being very diciplined when on leash. 

 

I realize that being a mix makes her a wildcard as to her tendencies but I think she is more GPS than anything and I just don't know what to do to make her life better.  I can't always give her the amount of exercise she seems to need and I bet most others can't either so it leaves me with a real problem.  I have actually tried to return her to the shelter once after just one month but the begged me to keep trying and I have but the peeing in my car is really the final straw.  I called a no kill shelter to give her up but they are full.  I don't want her to die, but I don't want a dog that is this much responsiblity.  I feel terrible that I'm failing this dog and want to do the right thing but I can't seem to get the right advise or help in this situation.  The no kill shelter suggested I get another dog so that she had a companion.  I love the idea but what if it's worse and now I have two dogs???  We have a farily large back yard and I do not believe in caging the dog.  I think it's mean and will make her worse because at least right now she can run around the yard and she does.  She just keeps digging holes.  I have put her poop in the hole as advised and it keeps her from digging in that spot but she just makes a new hole for poop to be added to.

I'm open to any and all suggestions but I will not buy a treadmill as seen on the "Dog Whisperer" for her to use. 

 

Is another dog a solution?  Has anyone seen the nervous behaviors I have described because they are weird to me?  Could the new kittens be adding to her behaviroal issues?  If so, what can I do as I need them all to get along.  I am confident that she will not harm the kittens but I did watch her chase, catch and kill a small chipmunk about a month ago during a camping trip.  By the way, she was a fantastic dog during the entire four days of the trip and had no issues because she got to run around and had us all to herself with plenty of exercise.  Unfortunately, our real lives do not allow us to spend that much time and attention on her daily.  Since the kittens were very small they have played with her tail and sometimes sleep with her.  On some days she seems to hate it but tolerates them and other days she seem indifferent to them but never does she seem to like them.

She does have good qualities.  She is very smart (too smart at times) very loving to myself and my husband when she isn't terrified of him.  She was good about riding in vehicles (until she started peeing in my car), she rides well in boats, she will fetch, sit and lay on command (mostly)  She isn't a barker unless there's a reason (not counting the new howling thing she does every morning) I have seen no aggression twards other humans, she tends to cower in fear but never shows teeth or growls.

Ok I've been going for an hour now so I'll stop.  She needs help and so do I.

Val and Casey

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08/08/2007 7:24 PM  
You're describing a dog with anxiety and seperation anxiety problems, hence the destructive/self destructive behavioural problems. She may also not know her "place" in the pack, this causes some dogs to be distressed and behave innappropriately at times. I would advise contacting a good obedience instructor for lessons/help. The fact that she is now showing some aggresive behaviour may be due to her adjusting to her new home & showing territorial behaviour, which does need to be controlled. Obedience will help this issue, you need to learn to re-focus her, it would be a long explanation as to how to handle her appropriately when she does this and a private session with a reputable obedience instructor can help you much better than me trying to explain it via a forum.
She sounds high energy and intelligent, have you thought about giving her a job?? Perhaps trying agility with her(after going through an obedience class)?? I wouldn't give up on her yet, you may be surprised at how much proper obedience can help!! I did some rescue years ago & turned many a "bad" dog around through setting limitations and teaching acceptable behaviour.
As far as crating, believe it or not, many dogs are quieter in a crate and more secure, this may not happen overnight though since she's not used to one. A crate is not cruel, just the opposite, most often it is the dogs private space, their den and liked very much. You don't use it for punishment, never put the dog in out of anger!! feed her in it, let her sleep in it by your bed, this will be her bed, her den. ALL my dogs will lie in their crates to sleep when I'm home & the doors are open, they all go in themselves at dinner time too.
Does she have lots of chew toys?? Bones & such?? This can help a dog relieve stress rather than chewing themselves up when stressed.
For the urinating issue, if you're just finding spots and not actually "puddles" you may want to have her checked for a bladder/urinary infection, this may be something she can't help......if not a crate would solve the car getting urine in it & most dogs will not urinate in a crate.
Hope this helps some.......
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08/09/2007 8:54 AM  

I agree sounds like some seperation anxiety. When I first brung Ava home from the SPCA it was very stressful for us one being I had no clue how much exercise she needed. I had holes all over my yard..I mean holes like she was digging to china and our yard at that time was a 2x4. I would go out and come home and their would be something turned upside. When I went to our vet to have her checked he told me that she needed some manners cause she was all over the table and hopping around. He also told me that she needed alot of exercise not just once a day either and a simple walk around the neighborhood will just not cut it. I left the apt thinking oh boy what did I get into. My husband and I went out to the bar with some friends one night now this is all still in the first couple of months that she was home with us. Came hone she had the loveseat torn to shreds, their was nothing left but springs. Us being drunk did not even care and up the three of went to bed. When seeing the loveseat the next day was crazy LMAO (Now thinking back to that day) it looked like a tornado hit it. Ava was so proud to wagging her nub all over the place.

She also walked me instead of me walking her. I decided to crate her when I went to work. My neighbor who is elderly knocked one day and said that she needed to talk to me about Ava, I am thinking oh boy here we go. She said when she tries to nap all she hears is digging and this horrible whine for hours. She said she would be able to handle the digging noise but the high pitch whine was to much to bear for her. I lived in a rowhome so you can always hear your neighbor on both sides alot.  So I knew this is not going to work but she distroyed my house when I was not home. So I started to take her to this baseball field near my house before work, I would throw the tennis ball for about a half hour then at times their were some dogs their and they would all chase eachother around. That worked for Ava, I would come home and my house was the way I left it. I also learned from my mistake that she was 1 and I needed to dog proof my house. Lift the trash up on the counter, make sure the shoes were not in her reach, hide the TV remote etc. Then when I came home she would get a good run in before bed.

As time went on we developed a routine and I am not going to lie every now and again she would find a little something to get into but it was ok to me. The vet had also mentioned that when she turns around three it's going to be like a switch went off and she will calm down. She is 4 now and looking back then to now I think man where has all the time went LOL. Being able to come home and not stress over anything after an 8 hour day and seeing her greeting me with a toy in her mouth and wiggleing that butt of hers is the best feeling in the world. We just came back from vacation and their was this JRT on the beach digging a hole and I said to my husband watch Ava she is going to go over to that JRT's hole and help out. Sure enough she zipped over started digging like mad in his hole. The owners of the Jack were cracking up. Ava popped up came smiling over to us with sand all over her face and we continued to walk. She in our yard now will get this burst of craziness and start to dig a hole and look real quick ,her ears all bent straight back with a look like ok anyone see me and then continue until I yell for her to stop.

I don't think your failing Casey but I think to be fair to her you need to give this a little bit longer. She is young and you only had her for a couple of months, she don't know her place just yet. Also since the  history on her is by what they told you, who knows, I don't think when someone turns over an animal they tell the whole picutre. As with Ava they told me she bite the kids. I didn't have any kids but neices and newphews and she has not once ever bite them. Nipped in excitement yes but thats it. I think they gave her up due to the fact they had no clue like me what kind of energy GSP's have. You need to really think how far your willing to commit to her and I promise if she has a fix it problem wich IMO she does you will look back on all this and laugh and say it was all worth it she has been a total butt wiggleing love bug for our family :).  Have your vet check her over if it's seperation anxiety their is meds for that and if she has a form of OCC that is fixable to. I agree on crate training it might just work for Casey start out slow then increase the time.

I am hoping to hear good news on your decision Val and this is a good board who will give you alot of useful information and a good peice of mind :)

 

Take Care

Santina

 

 

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08/17/2007 1:55 PM  
TRUST is your goal with this dog. You will require time and consistancy. If you blow the routine, as you know, this dog will "pay you back" for it. The howeling is a call for attention, the self knawing is the same; definate seperation anxiety issues. She probably WAS beat for doing all of these things in her former life, and now, if you even raise your voice, it sounds to me like she's taking personal offense, and cowering, thinking to herself, it's only a matter of time before they become just like those other folks! Once you have gained her complete trust, and you keep her in a solid routine, my bet is in a year from now, you will have a whole nother dogs on your hands. One that you CAN tolerate. She's ASKING, OR BEGGING you for attention of a positive nature, and she's so scared, all she can do is her old routine. Snap her outta it, and gain her trust. Do not allow yourself to cross the line and abuse her like in her past, or you have just defeated any progress she may try to make.

Lisa C. Rossman
WI GSP Rescue, Inc (wgspr.com)
"Until there are none, rescue just one!"
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