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hunterUser is Offline
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03/24/2008 11:47 AM  

We have a 5.5 month old male GSP we bought when he was 3.5 months old.  He is the apple of our eye.  I just found your forum and have read as much as I can on my lunch hour at work!!

We want to train him to follow a scent trail - as we bow hunt and you don't always get a clean shot and we need some help.  We have heard that you don't start scent training for this until they are about a year old.  Any harm in starting this earlier?  As long as it is kept short and fun, I wouldn't think so, but we am new to the bird dog world and would appreciate any advice you experienced bird dogger can give us!

I have read here that you don't start training them with birds until they are about a year old also.  I have read that people with 8-10 month old puppies winning competitions.  ??  I am sure it is up to the individual dog (like people, each one is different with differnet personality, etc.).  I have started teaching our boy the basic obedience - sit, heel, down - and he is doing well with these. 

When reading some of these stores of pups doing these things, I feel that we are hindering our boy by not teaching him all these things now.

Thank you!!

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03/24/2008 3:41 PM  

Hi,
there is no problem for you to begin scent tracking and introduce birds.
There is lots of info about tracking I can give you, it's loads of fun.

I do not know anyone who waits so long to introduce birds. There is lots of training to do w/o birds and in empty fields,too.
You may want to contact your local NAVHDA chapter. You will get help hands on help training.
http://www.navhda.org/
Most important to remember is that this time is still funtime for pup, keep pressure at a minimum. Sounds like you will have a busy summer.
Francine



"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
HoganUser is Offline
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03/31/2008 2:28 PM  
With my pups I start from day 1 with use of their nose. This can and should be fun for your pup. Wake up their nose by use of treats. Take and drag the treat on the floor and then hide it. You would be amazed at how you young one will catch on to this game. You can also use hot dogs out in the yard. Take and drag a hot dog downwind and then let your pup track the hot dog. You want your dog using its nose and not relying soley on sight.
As far as bird introduction, I think that it is critical to bring out their prey drive as soon as possible.
I have an elevan week old pup that I put on quail for the first time this last week end. This was a fun game for the pup. After 2 birds this young pup was establishing and holding point. Do not lean on your pup at all at this age.
You want to introduce your pup to birds by age 5-6 months.
This does not mean that an older pup is a lost cause. It may require more work with your pup as they get older.
I have a rescue pup that I got from Acecappuciano who is another member of this forum. This pup is 9 months old, and I just put her on birds this past weekend. She did very well and I think will make a very productive hunting dog.
As pixie bee stated regarding NAVHDA. Look for a navhda group in your area. Go to the site mentioned and click on chapter locator. There should be a number of chapters in Ohio.
Good luck
wgspr rescueUser is Offline
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04/16/2008 9:47 AM  
We start from day one as well. When our GSP was six months old, she knew difference between live and dead bird. She got her first albino pheasant at 6 months old. Kate lived to be almost 13 yrs old before cancer took her away. She was her daddy's hunting bud....they went everywhere together.

http://www.nstra.org/field_trial_heaven.htm (Look for Sundance Kate)

Lisa C. Rossman
WI GSP Rescue, Inc (wgspr.com)
"Until there are none, rescue just one!"
SpankyUser is Offline


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05/28/2008 9:28 AM  

I got my gsp for the same reason; I am a bowhunter and want to train him to track wounded deer, but my pup is only 8 weeks old.  We just picked him up last Friday.

Anyway, there is an awesome site if you haven't already found it called unitedbloodtrackers.org that is specifically dedicated to this task.  The guy who runs the site is a pioneer (in the US) on using carefully trained dogs to track wounded deer and has been instrumental in actually getting laws changed to make it legal.  I encourage you to check out the site where you can also purchase his book "Tracking Dogs For Finding Wounded Deer".  I read it and it's an excellent resource. 

To the point of your question, the author (John Jeanneney) of the book I mentioned above advocates starting scent training very early (7 weeks) while stressing the importance of keeping it fun.  While I can't vouch for the validity of the claim, I certainly respect what the man has been able to accomplish with his dogs.  There are lots of good tips right on the website that you can pick up without buying the book.  Good luck!!!

Pete

tchrismanUser is Offline
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05/28/2008 9:39 AM  

I'm with Pete on getting dogs early exposure to everything, birds and blood.  Everything in measure for the age.  Good luck with your pup!  Game conservation is an important job for GSP's.


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06/13/2008 8:15 AM  
7 weeks old i drag a treat on the carpet or lawn for about 6 feet and hide the treat at the end. I direct the dog to the smell and say "Track" he goes and follows to the hidden treat.......all nose! Later we start birds with a bird wing the same way.

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CCCCRNRUser is Offline
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06/17/2008 11:40 AM  
I've done a little work on scenting.
Is there a difference in commands for tracking and smelling out a cripple?
I've taken slices of meat or cheese through the grass and have the dog follow the trail.
I also take several small slices of meat or cheese and throw them into the grass and have the dog search until she eats all the pieces, on the command 'hunt dead'.
Also is the 2nd method teaching much or just having fun?
Both are great to watch as she gets so excited.
carlower1User is Offline
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06/17/2008 2:16 PM  
I do "hide and go seek" games with the kids. We hold Wachter in one room and the kids go hide with a treat or a toy then once they give the "ok" I release him with the command of "go find" right now we are using the kid's name, but slowly I am starting to use something from one of the kids so he knows which kid to find.

WildRoseUser is Offline
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07/01/2008 12:43 AM  
Scent training can be done at any age. For blood tracking you simply lay a generous trail at first from a given start point to a treat. I use actual blood, you can simply get some off of any of the prepared meat you get at the grocery store. You can freeze those little diaper things that are under the meat, thawing them out when needed. To begin with you can just simply tie one of these pads to a string and drag it out along the designated path.

As the pup grows, and gets more advanced you advance by simply using blood drops and as you advance space them farther and farther apart. Always have a positive reward at the end of a successful track. I keep pieces of deer hide frozen for just such occasions. The dog gets the hide as a treat/chew toy. CR

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