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gadawgsfan
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| 02/04/2013 7:58 AM |
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First off I want to thank everyone who has helped me so far with the advice on other issues and questions, this site is AWESOME!
We knew our choice to add our gsp (willow) to the family would be a whole new adventure for us, So i feel like all I do here is read and ask for help. We are first timers to this breed so I do not have the knowledge to help many people out yet.
So we have several issues going on at the same time, it is becoming overwhelming, especially for my wife and daughter,the biting,growling while she eating,chewing stuff besides her toys,jumping on us and people, STILL peeing in her crate. We do realize that some of these aer just being a puppy at 6 months old. Now every single night for the last 2 weeks she is waking us up at 3:00 to 3:30, my wife and I have been taking turns letting her out to potty, then straight back to the crate,she wakes us up again between 4:30 and 5:00. We are not getting much sleep, I usally stay up till about 11:30 and thats when she goes in her crate for the night or should I say a short nap.LOL
I really need some help and advice on this one, even though we love her to death,my wife and daughter are to the point that they want to sell her and get another breed. My wife is extremely active and talks her on walks/jogs, me not so much of the walking and jogging haha, I prefer the treadmill approach and she has learned to do it pretty well in fact she runs to the trreadmill when she sees it, last night she did 5 miles at a pretty good speed and then we played for about an hour before trying to settle down for the night that was around 10:30,crate at 11:00 up at 3:15 back in crate after potty and up at 4:40
when you are the only male in the house and two of them are unhappy with the 3rd one, then guess who catches the brunt end of everything. You got it, ME
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smatulewicz Michigan
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| 02/04/2013 8:17 AM |
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Hi Barry,
Sorry to hear you are experiencing some issues. I don't necessarily think going with a different breed will change the things you are facing as all dogs can develop vices, habits, issues...etc, so much as it would create new dog specific issues. GSPs are incredibly intelligent, and I hate to tell you (as not to rub it in) that Bella was by far the easiest puppy I have ever had (though we put in a lot of consistency, preventative planning, team efforting...etc, and still do on a daily basis).
I know you posted before about the feeding issues so I won't retype all I mentioned on that thread. What is your current routine? Is she "working" for her food? If I can assume and picture the scenario, I would worry that because it has been an issue that maybe right now you guys are bothering her a little too much while she eats, expecting her to be OK while eating, trying too many times to test her by putting your hand around her (all brought with feelings of anxiousness as to whether or not she'll growl). If any of that is true, leave her alone. Let her eat. Just to briefly reinstate what I said before...we would make commotion in the kitchen around her, not physically bothering or, I would make it a point to lightly bump her bum (without acknowledging her) with my leg when I walked by so she would get used to being touched while eating, we would call her away for a treat and allow her to return immediately to her food. Now she eats anywhere, with anything from cats to other dogs to children all moving about her. She couldn't care less. And usually in a rush to eat so she can get back in on the fun. She does generally eat with her tail down, but once she sees someone headed her way she lifts and wags it. Once we are gone it drops again. Don't let that make you anxious, like it originally did me because I assumed she was anxious. If you think it would help, I can make a video of Bella's feeding routine. (Other great ones have been posted on here as well).
With the rough play, we never allowed Bella to get vocal during play sessions (which kept nipping at bay since we weren't rough housing). If she got too vocal and too rough, we simply stood up, ended the play by walking away, and ignored her a bit. I have seen others mention on here a slight squeeze of of the mouth to discourage nipping. We didn't experience nipping so others will have better advice I'm sure. The jumping with an exuberant breed may be an ongoing battle (Bella is much better at almost a year and a half old). It is ongoing less due to your dog's abilities, and more because you can't train people. Dogs are opportunity seekers. Bella knows she cannot jump on me or my husband, and has learned with many of the regular people she sees often. BUT, if a new person is introduced and I don't correct it before I see it coming...she will jump, and if they allow it, she will continue to try).
At 6 months, your dog has body control and should not be having accidents in her crate at night. Does she have accidents during the day? If so, and frequent, you may need to have her checked for a UTI. Are you limiting water intake at night? at her last potty outing before bed, give her extra time and ensure that she is fully eliminating herself. If you do these two things, there is really no reason (if no medical issue) for her to need to go during the night and I would suggest ignoring her requests. She might be learning, even if brief, that it results in seeing you and getting out of her kennel.
Do you obedience train with her throughout the day? I train with Bella at least a little bit (something as small as asking her do a few things in between play moments) daily. Your entire family needs to be heavily involved in this. You guys need to be consistent with commands, reinforcement, consequence for not following through (not punishment, but meaning...one family member can't reinforce the follow through, while one repeats over and over and over again, while maybe another lets the command go unfollowed all together). Your puppy needs a daily routine she on which she can rely (this coupled with obedience training by all family members in and of itself should help battle much of what you are dealing with).
Big pat on the back to you for trying manage it (from the sounds of it, mostly on your own). The gals in your life can't just reap the benefits though, of a well rounded dog, they need to be as involved as you are. |
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dgsorensen
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| 02/04/2013 9:16 AM |
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| What I had to do was with my dog was wake up in the middle of the night and take him out before he was asking. I know this isn't fun but what you I had to do was keep waking up later and later to take him out until I had built it up to where he was holding it all night. GSP's are prone to Anxiety and right now your puppy's mind is probably telling it that it's never going to get to go out so it whines until it does. If you teach it that you will be coming eventually it should get easier. I would still have it cleared medically as I know a couple femals GSPs that have a tendancy to get frequen UTI's but if that all checks out then you may need to do what I had to do. |
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smatulewicz Michigan
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| 02/04/2013 9:24 AM |
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| We did the same with Bella as a young pup (and after the first week she lasted through the night at 3.5 months of age), but my concern is that your pup is 6 months old, not 12 weeks. By now, she should understand her crate, be comfortable with it at night, and be fully able to hold it through the night. There is a phase pups do go through (Bella hit at 8 months) that they seem to take several steps back in different realms, so if this is a new issue and she has previously done fine in her crate...hang in there, she may phase back out. |
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gadawgsfan
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| 02/04/2013 11:25 AM |
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thanks for the responses,we do all the same things for the most part when it comes to the rules we have established for our family that involve willow. we are gone most of the day so she spends that time in the crate,my daughter puts her in the crate at 8:00 a.m and she gets home at 2:45 p.m, i do understand that is a little long for her to be in the crate, after that she does not go back in it until bed time. last week my daughter and i had a lunch date, we took her out before we left, pee and pooped, we were gone for two hrs and came back to a pee soaked crate, we have washed the contents of her crate in the last month atleast 15 times. she has no water after 10:00 before bed,she has had a few accidents during the night, but is mostly during the day during that time she is in there the most,which i understand.
the biting has got better, though she did put a bruise about the size of a silver dollar on my wifes leg last night as we were playing with her as she made her crazy laps around the living room,which is a nightly ritual for us, as she comes by she wants to jump at you and nip, it has got better though.
we did take your advice on the feeding, jusst nudging her as we walk by and also feeding her by hand most of her food and her eating the rest on her on,if she is touched then she will growl no matter what, my daughter wont hardly even feed her because of it cause it scares her, it is the only time she shows any aggression,I started making her sit,lay down or whoa before i give her food and i may just pet her once or twice on the back as she starts to eat and then i walk away.
far as the crate, she goes to her crate almost everytime u ask which was a task in itself, that part has worked great, she is really good about entering her crate, she use to sleep all night long until the last 3 to 4 weeks,it has become very exhausting for my wife and i, she does not let up when she starts, once we get up she will stop barking and whining, she will sit and when u open the door she bolts out of there and heads stright for the door or her food bowl.we do not feed her at that time,it is straight out to potty and straight back to the crate.my wife informed me earlier that she wants to move her in the basement at night and she will go upstairs to sleep at night while i sleep on the main level. not good
I am not ready to give up on her, i also know that we are alot of the problem,its not all her fault,we need to be trained on how to handle her and teach her, most of what we have trained her has come from the suggestions on this site and what we have read in books.
i have never trained a dog other than basic commands so i read all i could before we brought her home, i also have never had this much money invested in one either, so i really want to do right by her, i do work with her daily on all the basic stuff and she does pretty good, she is highly treat motivated, which i am trying to decrease that slowly.
i guess all i can do is keep on keeping on,continue to be consistant,and pray it all gets better and maybe just outof the blue she will get it.
any other suggestions
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marisl
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| 02/04/2013 12:53 PM |
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I am sorry it's so hard right now, gadawgsfan. Me and my husband have a 9 month old GSP. I don't know if I can really give any useful advice, but I just wanted to say that I've been there - I've wondered if I made a huge mistake and if I can handle the dog (my first time owning a high-energy working dog), but we pushed on and made progress, and cannot imagine parting with our boy right now. I think around 6 months of age it was the worst for us. Our boy is still somewhat of a jumper, although not as bad as he used to. We ignore and turn our backs on him when he jumps up. He still sometimes does it out of exuberance, but it's getting better. I taught him the "paws up" command where he jumps and puts his front paws on my arm, so sometimes when I see him so fired up that I suspect he will jump, I offer the command instead (and it's also a "reward" command for him as he gets super excited if allowed to jump on the arm like this). I suspect there are no quick fixes for jumping, just slowly getting the message to the dog. Regarding nipping. Our boy went through crazy spells of exuberant play, nipping and biting at people (particularly me). He was still doing it at 5-6 months, when he was already bigger and could jump high, so I did get painfully nipped on my arms. I started letting out a big exaggerated scream, which made him stop in his tracks most of the time - I would then turn away and pretend to 'sulk'. He stopped doing the nipping and biting, I suspect because of my reaction, and now it only happens in rare occasions (and in those occasions I know I have done something to provoke a rough play). Regarding chewing on other stuff than his toys. We have had mixed luck with that, mainly because of our own mistakes. We've found our dog needs constant looking after in terms of what he can and cannot chew. We have an old floor-lounging chair that we had decided early on he can stay on and sleep if he wants to, and at this point, the chair is in shreds. That's because (I think) we just were not as consistent telling him 'NO' and redirecting as he started chewing on it - we did it when it was 'convenient' for us, but not when we were just otherwise busy. And then it just won't work - now he learned that in principle it's ok to chew on it while sometimes we get particular about it and tell him no. In contrast, our arm chair that we love and protected super vigilantly (meaning told 'NO' and redirected every time), he is not chewing on. It's not perfect since he still loves to steal the occasional sock, but we manage by keeping the living room and kitchen floor clear of any small items that he is not allowed to chew. And we keep the doors to other parts of the house closed. Another thing you might or might not already be doing, is to use little tricks to "buy time" to occupy the dog that's getting into trouble with something else that's hands-off as far as you are concerned. We find these invaluable in our daily routine of managing him right now and keeping him out of trouble. We prepare frozen kongs (mainly yogurt with a little bit of treats or kibble) for him that keep him busy half an hour or so, we give him raw bones to chew which can also be another half an hour, depending on the size of the bone, and we have another rubber toy with a slit in it where we can stuff some treats or pickle, and it takes him a while to get them out. (We don't obviously do all three things in a row) Also, we've found that our boy loves obedience work and tricks, with an intense focus (I get tired and run out of prepared ideas before he loses his focus), so that's another thing we do if he is getting out of control or we feel he is about to. It's not hands-off, but a great way to 'see the other side' of your dog. His intense desire to please me when we work together always melts my heart (even as I mourn the lounging chair . Just hang in there. |
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Splat Illinois (Northern)
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| 02/04/2013 1:06 PM |
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As for at night you now have her trained that when she whines she gets to be let out and that she is also to go outside... so you need to just let her cry it out at night, after a couple nights she will figure it out... so you need to suffer a few sleepless nights to get an infinity of great nights of rest... We have our GSP and now we have a doxie that is only 4 months old she has a tiny bladder compared to the GSP and she can go all night long without going out and she has been in her crate 7/8 hours and held it... so I think the bladder control is there for your dog... Our 3 year old GSP now doesn't get crated when left alone however our 4 month old doxie does... our kids put her in her crate at about 7:45am when they leave for school and she gets let out at 2:45pm when they get home...sometimes with after school activities she is let out at 4pm when I get home... however we don't have to do this every day cuz my husband does have a swing shift... so the amount of time yours is in the crate shouldn't be an issue... GSPs crave schedules so it is important to get a routine down... I am thinking that by hand feeding her you are starting to put some stress on her feeding situation... simply rotate who feeds her... I feed my dogs in the AM cuz my kids are grouchy and feeding themselves and getting ready for school but they feed the dogs at night after we have had our dinner... whoever is in charge of feeding should prepare the food ask the dog to sit and stay, put the bowl down wait a second or two depending on how well your dog is with this and then release the dog to eat... then go about making some noise in the eating area... I think you might want to stop touching and such cuz it is stressing her out... however maybe doing the calling her away for a treat might be good... The bottom line is your family is stressed and this is making your dog stressed and chances are even if you get a different dog your family will bring on stress in that dog too... it might not happen cuz you might get lucky and find a super relaxed dog but in general dogs are looking for a leader to care for them and keep them safe and if they pick up on your insecurities and nervousness they won't see you as a fit leader and that makes them nervous... when your daughter lets the dog out at 2:45pm what does she do with the dog? She should take it out to potty without speaking, don't greet the dog in an overly excited way just let it out of the crate and then outside... also she shouldn't rush to let the dog out she should put her coat, shoes, backpack away ect... she could even get a quick snack... or sit and watch TV for 5 minutes... don't let the dog associate with someone coming home means it gets let out of the crate immediately... my son usually goes to the bathroom first before getting ours out... after letting her out to potty he will do his homework and then he plays with her... |
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smatulewicz Michigan
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| 02/04/2013 1:44 PM |
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Great advice mentioned by Splat. Marisl also mentioned something I completely forgot about it, and used the couple of times Bella would get nippy during play..but I too did the "yelp". Sometimes, we forget (especially with intelligent breeds) that they have to learn our language...but they instinctually know theirs. To this day, if Bella fails to listen...rather than repeating myself or talking louder to her I will give a doggie "grumble" and she then instantly focuses. I'm still going to suggest that you leave your dog alone now while she eats. Stop feeding from hand. Stop giving her one or two pets prior to walking away (to do so, you're stalling over her as she begins to eat if you're feeling at all anxious you reinforcing any anxiety she has.) Until things are better...don't even have your daughter feed her. Your daughter is scared, your pup senses this and has no idea why, but in turn she's decided she needs to feel uneasy too. Women are emotional creatures. This is why I can finally realize I caused Bella's one bout of food aggression. It was hard for me because I felt like I needed to keep "trying" to make it better and I was ultimately making things worse. Once I left her alone and just let her eat in peace she was fine. You mentioned she runs to her bowl when she bolts so you may want to up how much you are feeding her. Does she actively seek more food when she done? Does she often check her bowl to see if anything is in it? If so...she's hungry and this could be why she is guarding what she does get. The amount of time she is in her crate is not too much. If dogs are anxious, they work up their systems and I suspect this is why her crate was soiled. If you guys had a lunch date you possibly rushed her potty outing that time, and she sensed the urgency to get going. She knew something was different and might have been even more anxious as a result (these are speculations of course). Bella loved her crate at night, but never grew to handle it well during the day. She was fine in it at home (though destructive because bored) but when we traveled for the first time, although she was 8 months old, she soiled her kennel terribly when we were gone for an hour and a half at dinner, simply because her routine was thrown off and she was terribly anxious. 10 pm, IMO, is fairly late to still be allowing water. When Bella was younger, I took the water up around 8 pm as the bulk of our day activity was over and there was no physical need for water (she loved water and would have a ton if allowed). Now that she is older it stays out, but if she goes for it late at night we simply tell her "that's enough" and she walks away. I forgot your issue with her chewing up things that aren't hers. You aren't going to like this, but at this point in the game, a puppy chewing anything that isn't his/hers is human error. Puppies needed to be supervised. If you can't fully supervise...limit the area she has access to. We baby gated our living room and kitchen area for a long time. Bella's freedom in the house grew as she matured and we built trust in her. We also "trade up" with Bella which has been great as when she does grab something that isn't hers (usually at home that isn't ours, or sometimes the cat's toys) she will bring it to one of us with a look that says "I found this...can I have it?" If she can, I tell her how great the thing she brought me is and follow up with "you may have". If she can't, I thank her bringing it to me, tell her "that's momma's" or "you may not have" and then I immediately replace it with something she can have (something better if possible). As result, she never sneaks off with something...she is excited to bring it and show it because she gets something out of it either way. Bella has only destroyed a pillow corner (feathers so I'm still convinced that had something to do with it) shortly after we did away with her crate and she got freedom when we were gone. Oh, and a couple of toys at my in-law's house because we weren't there and it was on the floor. Basically, for us...if it's on the floor, we can't be mad if she thinks it is hers. I ultimately think Splat called it by saying you guys are stressed right now, so your pup is stressed. Dogs sense so much we don't even realize. Maybe even emotions we don't even realize we are feeling. If it didn't create the problems, it is still making them worse. Try and breathe, and hang in there. Do you have anywhere to do an obedience class where you live? Or a trainer that will come to your home and help you with things? Sometimes it really helps to have someone else on your side who can help you in real time. |
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Splat Illinois (Northern)
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| 02/04/2013 2:13 PM |
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some more great points! I know I worked with a friend on mine whose dog had separation anxiety and would just soil the crate and destroy it... she was always so worried about it that she would stress over coming home at lunch to let the dog out to go potty and have "mommy time" which just built the dogs anxiety more... so I suggest not trying the coming home at lunch anymore... All puppies are like 2 year olds curious and they put everything in their mouth... so as owners you need to keep your eye on the dog at all times... if you can't put it in the crate... people put their kids in playpens, swings bouncy seats as a way to keep the kids safe when they have to quick go take a shower or make dinner or vacuum... I am just trying to put the dog stuff into terms maybe your wife would relate to since you do have a daughter... of course for humans/kids we say "NO" when they do wrong... well we use the word no all the time... so for dogs use "AH AH!!!" Don't wait for them to already get the item they shouldn't have or jump up say "AH AH!!!" before they do it or just as they do, hence don't take your eye off them and watch the body language... I always had to stress to my youngest who is now 8 (a small 8) to use his big manly voice not his girly voice... I think your are fretting too much over getting a high energy breed... yeah sure I guess they are high energy they are bred to hunt all day so they need stamina... however they are the biggest couch potatoes too... thing is they are a good size dog and they love their family and most love people in general so they get jumpy and excited... however GSP are also some of the smartest dogs I have raised... very easily trained, I know you are laughing at me for saying that with the trouble you are having but trust me, lol! We have had GSPs since my youngest has been 3 and he has had friends come over that are afraid of dogs and after coming to our house for just 5 minutes soon they are running around like crazy not worrying about the dogs... so it will work out... just find your grove, watch the pup like a hawk and stay strong... If your daughter is that worried about feedings don't have her do it for a while until she builds confidence... Question for you... do you only put the dog in the crate when you leave and at bedtime? |
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Jena
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| 02/04/2013 6:34 PM |
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| I am no expert in the breed, but I have definitely been where you are! After we brought Stella home @ 8 weeks old I was a mess! I constantly reconsidered the breed....looking back I was being so silly. Yes, GSP's are high energy and hard headed! Things will get better. Stella will be 1 year old this month and looking back she has come a LONG LONG way! Yes, she is still a handful at times, but we have learned to channel her energy. I recently purchased (about 2 weeks ago) the Springer bike attachment and ride her approx 10-15 house lengths down the road and back...working her up to longer distances. I wouldn't recommend this for a 6mo pup as it was recommended to me to wait until she was 1. Try some short training sessions - if your pup is driven by food the treats work wonders. We had a trainer that came to our house for 12 weeks and helped us. It's expensive, but worth it. Stella knows her boundaries - we can let her outside and she knows to stay in the yard. Simple things like that really make a difference for us humans. As for the whining i really cannot shed any light on that since Stella still cries like crazy in the morning when our alarms go off. I think it is because she wants to be with us. When she was a pup i would set my alarm for every few hours and wake her up to take her outside. That lasted about 2 weeks then she slept through the night. I also took out all her blankets out of the crate - I noticed with no blankets she wouldn't pee because she didnt want to lay in it all day..with the blankets it soaks it up so they don't have to lay in wetness. LOL. Stick with it though - and let your family know that it will get better. Training classes, mind activities (hide treats in a toy or a bone with peanut butter inside) all helped us. Stella is a handful, but I couldn't imaging not having her....I can't wait to get home and see her! |
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gadawgsfan
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| 02/04/2013 7:35 PM |
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yes, most of the time only when we leave and bedtime,only because we feel bad that she is in the crate for most of the day. if one of us is at home alone and something needs to be done where we cant watch her the whole time then we will crate her then and she just barks the entire time,i can deal with most of the issues we are having, the two that are the worst to handle for now is the peeing in the crate and the waking up during the night. i will be trying these suggestions starting tonight,actually started a few of them with feeding and walking away,also fed more food,im not real sure the amount to be feeding her and no more fluids for the night,and final item for tonight is ear plugs,lol and wife is sleeping upstairs until she will sleep all night again, thanks to everyone for the help and encouragment just another reason i love this site |
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smatulewicz Michigan
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| 02/04/2013 8:07 PM |
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Bag recommendations on food are guidelines at best. Dog by dog as to how much to feed. Bella ranges from being a feeding mad woman to ignoring her breakfast completely. We just adjust accordingly. We also feed a bit more in the winter months since she needs the nutrients for warmth. The suggested feeding for her size and weight of what we feed is 3 cups daily. Right now she gets five daily.
I meant to say too, if your pup is treat motivated, don't feel like you can't use them. Use away, just be sure to also use other options like play and praise so as she ages you can rely more on those. I cut up baby carrots for Bella as healthy snacks or treats.
I sleep in earplugs because I sleep with snorers. One has two legs, the other has four. I won't name names. they are really very unbothersome. I'm so used to them now I use them even when the hubbs... I mean, the two legged snorer is out of town. they will be a big aid in helping you sleep and ignore the cries. |
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| 02/05/2013 5:26 AM |
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on average these guys eat about 3-4 cups a day s if you feed twice 1 1/2-2 cups a feeding... thats an average... if those are your worst issues then definitely stop letting her out at night just ignore the cries after a few days of that you should be in heaven but it will take a few rough nights... peeing in the crate is from separation anxiety or crate anxiety or it at least seems that way... when at home try and take an hour where she goes in the crate but you stay in the room, clean, read, watch TV, play on PC ect... when she is quiet let her out but do not talk to her just let her out and then bring her out to potty... the key is to make coming out of the crate boring so that it isn't exciting and she is building up the that excitement... you could try just blocking her in the kitchen when you are gone and leave potty pads (which if she is like mine just rips those up cuz it is so much fun) or put a litter box in there.... |
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gadawgsfan
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| 02/06/2013 5:08 PM |
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ok, two nights of whinning off and on,mostly on.wife sleeps in another room,haha though its really not funny, no water after 8:00 pm take her out before bed and still pees in the crate both nights. we will see how it goes tonight, i was off today so she has only taken one nap for about an hour. she seems really tired and trying to sleep but I am not letting her do that we need some sleep. she never poops in the crate only pees, and today i took her out and played with her quite a bit and she peed 7 or 8 times. I would think she could hold it for 6 to 8 hours according to the vet, so i understand her peeing during the day while we are at work and school, but during the night after 3 or 4 hours is getting old. i am going to give it a couple more days and lots of prayers and if nothing gets better I am taking her to the dr to see if she has an infection. thanks for your help so far I will keep you posted |
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smatulewicz Michigan
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| 02/06/2013 6:13 PM |
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What type of activity does she get during the day? A pup not getting quite enough activity does not sleep solid. My best guess is that your pup is soiling the crate because she is still very anxious in it, and she isn't sleeping solid enough at night to keep it off her mind. You'll see people mention on here that it is a misconception that these dogs need an abundance of activity, but they do need a fair amount daily to be at their best indoors. Again, I can't help but thing the stress that she is causing your wife (and you) is only inadvertently making her more anxious (vicious cycle). Have you tried having the crate in your room. Also, as pup I would from a place she couldn't see me say a drawn out "huuuuush" when Bella whined in her crate and since she could not see me or associate it as a reinforcement for whining, it worked to soothe her enough to allow her to fall back asleep. Have you considered trying her out of a crate? Any change at this point is going to create another couple of nights to get used to things. She definitely should be able to hold it that long if she isn't working herself up with anxiety. I know we have said to ignore her, but you may have to treat this like she is a much younger puppy due to her anxiety. It may be worth your while to beat her to the whining, without words leash her at her crate, take her directly outside, and directly back in to the crate after she potties. I used to wait knowing Bella would whine a little so that I could say "huuuuush" and it really just took once or twice (whining decreasing after each) before she was back to sleep. Letting her out after she has whined is what we wanted you to avoid because we assumed she had trained you to relieve her from her crate. So, beating her to it serves your cause. Yes, you'll have to set an alarm (easy to do since you know about what time she is doing it each night), but again...in the long run it may be well worth it since you are already losing sleep. |
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smatulewicz Michigan
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| 02/06/2013 6:18 PM |
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| *Be sure not to let her dart from the crate as you mentioned she does (one reason being IMO a solid comfort level with the crate and good crate manners are not darting once the door is open. Bella was not allowed if she was not in a calm down position) because if she does, you're having to chase after her and coarse her where you need her to go. This is WAY more interaction that you want to happen during the potty out. You really want NO interaction (this is why I leashed Bella at her crate since and went out with her (we don't have a fence). She stayed leashed until back in her crate. |
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Mareezee Los Angeles, CA
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| 02/06/2013 6:19 PM |
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| Barry, i am so sorry to hear about the challenges you are facing. While i am a newbie on the breed as well ( Luna has only been with us for 6 months) you have found a very friendly, knowledgeable group here to help you. I have had very different experiences from you as far as the crate issues, she's never even had an accident in there. I dont know if it has been due to the fact that Luna was introduced to it later at 7 months of age, but she couldn't love it anymore than she does. Please keep us updated, and good luck. I'm sure Willow will adjust to the crate eventually. |
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Mareezee Los Angeles, CA
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| 02/06/2013 6:30 PM |
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| I just read smatulewicz post. I forgot to mention that we did move her crate back and forth from the kitchen (where we are most of the time) to our room for bedtime. Now we just keep it in our room, and she will scratch on the bedroom door when she wants to take a nap in her crate. We also have to guide her to it, as she is quite stubborn when it comes to fighting her sleepiness. We also are able to put her in when we have company or chores to do, but it IS in our (and what she considers her) room. |
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Splat Illinois (Northern)
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| 02/06/2013 7:22 PM |
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If the crate is not in your bedroom at night you should put i there... at bedtime or very near put her iniy and then u get into bed with lights on watch tv or read... soon she will settle down and u can tutn off the lights and go to bed too... if she wakes at night just calmly shoosh her or have the crate close enough that u can put your hand down and touch her... I have assumed u had all medical issues checked... so there is a chance of that but the vibe from your post is anxiety... At night try this put a leash on her one with a loop at the end... put your arm through the loop in the leash... put a doggie bed pillow or rug next to your bed and have her sleep there... u can relax cuz she cant wander off since the leash is on |
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Smylinacha Connecticut
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| 02/07/2013 10:21 AM |
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| Hi! I agree with Splat - our dogs have to sleep in the same room as we do - it's part of their pack mentality - we all need to be one big happy family LOL. One sleeps in his crate next to my husband and it's always open for him to get up and out but we used to lock him in the first month we had him. The other one has a crate in the spare room but she doesn't stay in it much and we can't fit it in our bedroom so she sleeps on a dog bed next to my side of the bed every night. Nothin' like two GSPs snoring all night long LOL! I have to keep the TV on to drown out their snoring! |
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