SassyDelilah Michigan
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| 01/08/2013 5:41 AM |
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Delilah and I started puppy kindergarten last night! Wow was she crazy excited. It was a great first night but she was really pulling on the leash. I am concerned that she may hurt herself and was wondering if anyone has trained with a harness instead of a collar? Did it work better? |
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smatulewicz Michigan
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| 01/08/2013 6:10 AM |
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| I used a gentle leader with Bella when she was younger at times of greater excitement when I knew I couldn't actively train and on work on the heel, and when it would be near impossible for her to contain her excitement. Worked pretty well. |
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SassyDelilah Michigan
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| 01/10/2013 5:30 AM |
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Great suggestion, thank you. I didn't even know those existed! I may try another week and see how she does. She has been doing very well at home on the leash but not nearly as much distractions.
I would like to eventually have Delilah become a therapy dog so this first step is very important to us. |
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smatulewicz Michigan
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| 01/10/2013 6:32 AM |
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I hope to do the same with Bella, but I have decided it is just going to have to possibly be something she does when she is a bit older. She loves people so much she gets to excited. That little bum of hers just can't stay on the ground when she is meeting a new person. Though, her jumping is improving tremendously. I may still go through the Canine Good Citizens class just to see how we do. I just found out someone near here offers it and the testing. Would be a nice first step to the therapy training.
I didn't use the gentle leader often, as I didn't want to cover the issue... I wanted her to learn leash manners. If you try one, I suggest getting her used to it before using it. Put it on loose and let her have it fall off on its own. Do this several times...leading up putting it on normally for small bouts while she is distracted with a good toy..or even a training session. Some dogs tolerate it well. Bella did..as she aged since I didn't use it much if I tried to (I threw it on once at a local festival because she was tugging toward every dropped bit of food on the ground lol) she didn't like it as much. Anyone who stopped to pet her she would start rubbing her face vigorously on their legs. That was just as embarrassing to me as the pulling lol. Also, I really loved how nicely it worked...but I simply despised people asking me if it was a muzzle and if she was vicious.
The buckle part should fit snug right behind the ears (not low on the neck) and the nose portion should be loose enough that it can move to the end of the snout, without falling off. |
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clicklbd SE PA
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| 01/11/2013 9:23 AM |
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I'm not a huge fan of Gentle Leaders if the dog might take off suddenly. I prefer the harness options. I LOVE these: http://wiggleswagswhiskers.com/No-Pull-Harness/ They have moleskin underneath so they are softer than the easy walk. I was doing behavior consults when I was working part-time, so I got one for my dog as a trial. He loves it, and it is not going to put any strain on a dog's neck. I will definitely get another when my gsp finally arrives. |
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smatulewicz Michigan
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| 01/11/2013 10:35 AM |
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| I never tried the harness styles as everyone I knew with one switched to the gentle lead as the no pull harnesses rubbed their dogs raw under the legs. Bella isn't a mad crazy puller so it probably would be ok for her. It just really depends on how hard and how persistent your pup is to pull. Bella rarely even attempted pulling once the easy lead was on, needless to say never attempted to dash in it. My complaint an why I would prefer a harness style was it would flatten the hair on her nose a bit (nothing you can't fix with a good rub after) and of course what I already mentioned about people thinking it was a muzzle. That harness mentioned is probably nice if it has padding to prevent the rubbing. I see so many easy leads being used completely wrong, and that's why they don't help. |
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gsplover Houston, Tx.
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| 01/13/2013 11:55 PM |
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| My trainer recommended the prong collar over any other collar. It's self training! They pull, it hurts, they don't pull, it doesn't hurt! They learn quickly, and you keep them on that until it becomes a habit for them not to pull. My two were on it for a good year, and are now completely trained to the verbal command. If they pull, I give one quick correction pull to the side and repeat the command.....done deal! My two did NOT pull on the prong collar! They say harnesses teach them to pull. I don't know, because I've only used one training collar, and that was the prong. |
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Splat Illinois (Northern)
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| 01/14/2013 5:25 AM |
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| I have always used the prong too... except when my son did 4H it wasn't allowed and at alot of dogs shows they aren't allowed (I don't mean in the show ring I mean just walking around on the show grounds)... some say the harness teaches pull because you use harnesses for pulling like with pulling sleds or the skiing and biking behind the dogs... |
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SassyDelilah Michigan
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| 01/14/2013 5:37 AM |
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We took Delilah to the park for a walk on Saturday and meet a Gentleman with a St. Bernard Puppy (9 months). He was so well behaved I asked about the harness he was using. It is called a "Walk Easy Harness" (See picture). We decided to give it a try and bought one for Delilah.
Oh my GOSH, what a difference. Within minutes she was behaving like she had been loose leash walking for years. I will keep on eye out for the chafing under her legs but I believe this will be a huge help with her training.
Thanks everyone for all of your suggestions. 
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smatulewicz Michigan
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| 01/14/2013 8:15 AM |
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That is the harness that works but I heard complaints and saw evidence of where it rubbed down to the skin behind the arms. Just beware. If she is walking nicely on it I don't think that's an issue. I think, just like the gentle leader, if used incorrectly (by not being worn correct or letting the dog still pull through it, or leaving it on while the dog is allowed to run about off lead) is when it's an issue. A good friend has to use one on her rescue and she loves the results. Althought, it did not rub her dog badly...it has thinned the hair at the armpits. |
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clicklbd SE PA
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| 01/14/2013 12:47 PM |
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You could try the Freedom Harness if the easy walk rubs the hair. I have cavaliers (so longer hair) and it has never been a problem, probably because of the mole skin on the Freedom harness (link in my post above.) I don't leave them on -- I just use it when I am walking the dog somewhere. My cavalier is not a puller, but I was doing more behavior consulting when I got it, and I wanted some experience before recommending it to others. I LOVE this harness. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 01/14/2013 2:07 PM |
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I use the pinch or prong collars as opposed to the easy leader type halters. I find that my shorthairs that are pullers learn much faster not to pull and I generally can go back to their normal collar in very short order. I have only had one serious puller and I only used the prong on him for about a month until he got the idea about not pulling. Then I weaned him off the prong, but putting other collars on him at first still using the prong and then switching to the regular, but with the prong still on. Once I removed the prong he only needed a reminder now and again. I also teach heeling and loose lead walking (no pull is my command for this). Since I use the formal heel command for competition I wanted another command where we could walk without pulling, but not necessarily in perfect heel position. I also start loose leash walking as soon as I leash train my puppies. For my own litters that is at about 4 weeks and for puppies I purchase that is at about 8 weeks. |
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