sevans9793 Hickory/Charlotte NC
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| 12/17/2012 7:16 PM |
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Hey guys just wanna say I joined today and great site. My GSP is 7 and we took him pheasant and quail hunting for the first time a couple of weekends ago. He had never had any experience with hunting before in his life but he performed adequately. (We had another man out there with me, my father, and my friend who had 4 american shorthairs that we used to hunt with. My GSP had no experience or training in honoring the other dogs, so it was pretty funny to watch him charge at pheasants and quail sitting in rows of corn.) He did not seem to have the focus to find the birds himself though and stayed at my heels because he was a little wary of the shotgun shots. I would like some advice on how to train an older GSP to hunt quail more effectively. Feel free to share stories of your older GSPs hunting as I am interested in hearing them. It would also be great to hear stories of how you trained your GSPs to hunt either as pups or older dogs.
Thanks guys, I appreciate the input.
Attached is a link to some pics of him "hunting" 
https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2G4TcsmGwgbsf |
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DuckFever Central Oregon
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| 12/17/2012 8:21 PM |
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| First and foremost, did you gun break him? A dog you are hunting with should not be "wary" of gunshots. Properly gun breaking him is the first step. I started by banging pots and pans around the house. I then moved to a .22 pistol. Since my pup likes to retrieve I would throw bumpers for him and when he was engrossed in chasing them I would have a friend who was standing 40 yards away fire the pistol. Most of the time he didn't even notice the gunshot and was just busy chasing the bumper. Then I moved the gunshots closer, since he had a positive reaction to the shot. Later I moved it up to 20 gauge shotgun at a distance. He was finally TRULY gun broken when he pointed a sage grouse, it flushed, he went off chasing it and I shot it. He was so busy chasing it he didn't even hear the gun. Ever since then, if he's not near me and he hears a gun fire, he comes running towards the gunshot. If he is near me he looks up in the air to see what's falling. I would want the dog to be properly gun conditioned before having him around shotguns though. Just my two cents. |
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sevans9793 Hickory/Charlotte NC
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| 12/17/2012 8:40 PM |
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| Alright thanks man that answers my question about his timidness around guns; I figured it was something along those lines. |
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DuckFever Central Oregon
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| 12/17/2012 10:05 PM |
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No worries. The most important thing I can say about gun breaking is that you should take things slow and always make things fun for the dog when using the gun. I like to have the dog doing something fun when the gun goes off, like playing fetch or chasing a bird. Let me know if you need any other help, I'll be glad to offer any help I can. There are also a lot of other experienced trainers on here who can offer a lot more help than I can. |
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The worst day of hunting is better than the best day at work. |
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sevans9793 Hickory/Charlotte NC
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| 12/17/2012 10:20 PM |
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| When we were hunting he also seemed almost hesitant to pick up the birds unless they began to move or flush again (i.e. try to escape from him), what do you suggest I do to correct this behavior? |
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DuckFever Central Oregon
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| 12/17/2012 10:57 PM |
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| If it were me in that situation I would go over and grab the bird and drag it around in front of the dog. Get him really excited and amped up about the bird. Then I'd let him grab it and when he did I would praise the heck out of him. Has he been taught fetch at all? Will he retrieve items that aren't birds? It may be a bit different with a dog that is 7, but the instincts should still be there, if they were there to begin with. If I were you I would check out the DVD SmartFetch by Evan Graham, you'll learn a lot. Like I said, others on here may be able to offer advice as well. |
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sevans9793 Hickory/Charlotte NC
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| 12/18/2012 5:58 AM |
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| We tried to get him exited about it by throwing it and telling him to fetch it, and he would run over to it and then come back. He will retrieve things like frisbees, tennis balls, and stuff of that sort but he just didn't want to return the bird. He's great at looking for tennis balls and frisbees for hours on end. |
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pixie bee
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| 12/18/2012 6:08 AM |
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7 is a bit old to expect too much in the way of hunting proficiency. If he knows how to use his nose to find birds you have a chance at this. You messed up with the gunfire, so you'll have to work on that. A younger dog can easily dismess your error but an older dog may not. This season is about over, you have a whole year to get him to understand how to search and to retrieve 1/2 decent. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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sevans9793 Hickory/Charlotte NC
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| 12/18/2012 6:40 AM |
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| Thanks for all the help I'll try to implement some of the things you said and look for changes. |
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tgatto Lake in the Hills, IL
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| 12/18/2012 10:49 AM |
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Experience, experience, experience. Find a way to get your dog on birds during the off-season. This might include purchasing some quail, or pigeons. If you don't have property to use, or desire to keep birds around the house (hey - who does?!?!), you may join a hunt club, or other club or association (like NAVHDA). I totally agree with the sentiments on getting the dog used to gunfire. I usually start my pups with loud banging of food dishes around dinner time, cap-guns at a distance with treats, etc... I do believe that you CAN teach an old dog new tricks, but I also believe old habits are hard to break - including focus (or lack of) in the field due to non-use. I try to get my dog out into a field 3 - 4 times a week, not including time on birds, to habituate her field manners (staying close, obeying commands, chasing only when allowed...).
One more thing, you may need to adjust your expecations for the 7-year-old. If the dog's prey-drive is good, you will end up with a good dog that will find birds for you. More refined elements, like retrieving, may take longer to train than you have with your dog. My suggestion would be to enjoy what time you have in the field with it. |
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It is watching the dogs work that I thoroughly enjoy, and love. I could get by with just watching them work - if it weren't for all the training, and the joy they exhibit when they pick-up, and deilver to hand a bird that they pointed, and you shot. - Todd |
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kpwlee Raleigh, NC
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| 12/19/2012 5:27 PM |
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Quail season goes through the end of Feb in NC so you have two months I would really work on the gun conditioning and get some basics down with quail wings or such. I am NOT a hunter, I wish I was and hope to be so soon. There are quite a bit places you can train and being in Charlotte there are loads in SC too |
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