Like I've said in earlier posts I don't care whether black gets accepted or not but my question is why the sudden urge to get blacks accepted the past 10 years or so after not allowing them for 70+ years?   I fully understand the complaint that littermates that are liver can compete but blacks can't trust me I get it.. What I don't get is had people bred  to the OUR standard and not a standard from an organization/country that they don't even participate in we wouldn't be having this discussion..

Hell there have been "tri-colored" gsp's floating around the web the past couple months and according to the people that have them its accepted in germany I hope you're all ready...

A tattoo means nothing. A pedigree would show more than a tattoo would. Where do you come up with this stuff?

There is a sudden urge because they have gained popularity if you will. More of them are around especially since the DK has made a scene here in North America.

Adam you need to go back and see where this breed originated from and what the standard is that made this breed into what it is today. The GSPCA isnt the parent registry there fore your

argument is moot.

A GSP cannot be Black and liver. They can only be black and white, brown and white, solid black, solid liver or a sandy color the name doesnt come to mind right now.

Here is a picture of one. This is my friend Jason Hyler's dog Sandy. This is a pedigree'd pure bred GSP.

All true DK puppies will be tattooed in their right ear and have a Federation Cynologique Internationale (FCI) registered Ahnentafel (pedigree). The tattoo number in the puppy’s ear must agree with the number on the Ahnentafel. 

But a tattoo means nothing right?

If a litter of AKC GSP`s are bred the black ones wont be DKV tattoo`d but they are still purebred GSP`s

Times change...people's minds change...membership grows or changes as the breed grows which brings in new opinions...breeds potentially evolve--for lack of better wording on my part.  Black is not new, a genetic fluke, or extremely rare.  The other colors  mentioned are so few and far between (even if they are genetically possible), that lumping them in with black, is a good but sly way to discredit black. 

Why do you think black works in the DK registry, but won't for GSPs? 

I never said it won't work

if we started doing things the way the "germans do it", then we might as well start changing our AKC hunt test requirements for our breed.

Add a water work to complete SH and MH, add a rabbit retrieve, add a blood track etc..

Sorry, but this is not a purebred GSP.  In one of the last few generations, a cross breeding occurred.  Whether the people who bred the dogs were aware of it or not, DNA test all the dogs behind that one for three generations and I am sure you will find that someone is in the mix who is not on the pedigree.  Not a GSP.  Some other breed.

I finished my earlier statement with:

Now these observations of the Blacks could just be my particular lines of dogs I'm working with within my Breeding Program, but from what I've heard from other reputable Breeders of Blacks, my observations have tended to be true for them as well.

qualifying it as MY OBSERVATIONS, OR OPINION.

Now consider that there are only approximately 1/2 dozen Foundation Lines of Blacks in the US going back on names like Hege-Haus, Poettsiepen, etc.. and that every one of those lines would have the influence (Drag of the Breed), of  those very first Breedings that produced Black. They were ALL founded off of those 1st Arkwright crosses from Beechgrove Bess. It would be completely plausible that the nose is in fact related to the color and other dominant Pointer Traits. I have seen in others Breedings where 2 Blacks were bred together, where a few "Pointer Stops" were produced; Why would it be so hard to believe the same could not be true for the nose. If you were to study a wide range of Pedigree's of Black dogs in the US today, I suspect a very large percentage would go back to some VERY common ancestory. What if that 1 or 2 VERY common ancestors had just happened to have a FAR SUPERIOR nose? After all, though it was left out in an earlier comment:

Yes, black has been in the background of the American GSP for many generations, mainly for the purpose of darkening the pigment of the fading colors that existed.

The other primary reason and I suspect bigger reason for the Arkwright infusion was, TO LIFT THE HEAD UP AND IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF NOSE.

I see no reply to the improvement of coat texture, coarseness and water resistance that Black could offer to the Breed?