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| 01/12/2011 1:16 PM |
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Wait a minute? Did he say that? I must have missed it. selective reading, I guess?
Briarpatch, that wasn't nice for you to say that. My ideals for TYPE are well dicumented by many judges world wide.
Ryan and Briarpatch - you are expressing opinion and NOT fact when it comes to TYPE and STYLE.
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briarpatch
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| 01/12/2011 1:35 PM |
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Pixie if you have not seen different types in this breed then I suggest you get your eyes checked ....
and those are nice examples of type for the primary DK type or the FCI standard..
Those dogs I highly doubt would meet the American standard for type and conformation .. Ones Black isnt it ? and would be DQed so not of standard and we all know by your own words its an insult to breeders and fanciers of the breed to allow DQ's to be registered ...have to wonder is that dog registered ??? By your own words if it is black as it appears it shouldnt be ..... |
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pixie bee
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| 01/12/2011 2:13 PM |
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Picky,picky,picky.
No, my black guy is not AKC registered. And will never be.
My dogs are TYPE for the FCI/German standard.
I have seen different 'types' but they do not fall within the standard - therefore they are not of TYPE.
Each dog should be in standard to the club they belong to.
An agreement of what standard means wold be helpful.
Can you explain what your definitions, Briarpatch and Ryan, of what TYPE is?
Can you diferentiate between TYPE and STYLE for us?
Thanks.
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briarpatch
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| 01/12/2011 2:14 PM |
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I am teasing Pixie a little cant help myself , but NO I NEVER SAID that the god thing about pixie..
and anyone who believes there is only one type within this breed either hasnt seen to many dogs of this breed or must be blind , I am rather new to the breed compared to some but have seen and even been blessed enough to own several of the very different TYPES within the breed
Being fortunate enough to have owned several different Types I easily noticed They all have their qualities and faults and I am not kennel blind to a specific type as being the best , I do have my own personal preferences that I am sure are not as others personal preferences for the best type we all hunt and use our dogs under very different circumstances which creates a very diverse breed with several types available within the breed..
Sorry Pixie for teasing you a bit .. |
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pixie bee
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| 01/12/2011 2:22 PM |
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I didn't think you said that - it's not your style (pardon the pun)
I don't mind a little teasing. Lightens the mood.
What you say you see within the GSP is one reason I moved to DKs. I feel a breed is better served when there are common goals.
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| 01/12/2011 2:26 PM |
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My defininition of type would be just the conformation and tempermant aspect of the dog.
My defiinitionn of Style would be how the dog handles, runs, walks, points...
I could go into further but gotta run ..
oh and style usually goes hand in hand with my definition of type ...diferent types do have different styles for the most part .. |
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| 01/12/2011 2:27 PM |
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My defininition of type would be just the conformation and tempermant aspect of the dog.
My defiinitionn of Style would be how the dog handles, runs, walks, points...
I could go into further but gotta run ..
oh and style usually goes hand in hand with my definition of type ...diferent types do have different styles for the most part .. |
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briarpatch
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| 01/12/2011 2:29 PM |
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| 01/12/2011 3:15 PM |
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So Briarpatch, are you saying that Pixie's black dog doesn't fit the "American" breed standard or that the dog couldn't be registered or that the dog couldn't be shown??
You said that Pixie's dogs may fit the DK standard but not the American standard for type, why not?? |
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| 01/12/2011 5:18 PM |
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Posted By briarpatch on 01/12/2011 2:26 PM
My defininition of type would be just the conformation and tempermant aspect of the dog.
My defiinitionn of Style would be how the dog handles, runs, walks, points...
I could go into further but gotta run ..
oh and style usually goes hand in hand with my definition of type ...diferent types do have different styles for the most part ..
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pixie bee
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| 01/12/2011 6:52 PM |
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Briarpatch and Ryan,
you are both stating your definition of TYPE. What you both fail to recognize is that the definition of TYPE is not about opinion, but pure fact.
My liver/white dog is 26". Aside from my guy being b/w and the one being 1" over - they both fall well within the AKC standard. The head - now that's an issue I have as well with AKC dogs. I don't think many AKC show dogs have a head like like my dogs.
Is their a reason AKC show dogs would be considered to have a different head then field bred GSPs?
To get back to size - a versatile dog needs size and substance to perform its work.
Thanks for the compliment briarpatch.
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briarpatch
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| 01/12/2011 7:01 PM |
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okay lets talk pure fact
there is 3 distinct TYPES of German Shorthairs
The Field Type
The Ameican Show Type
The FCI type
and there are many dogs that cross the bounderies between the 3 TYPES or fall somewhere in the middle of 2 of the distinct types .
That is the facts
Now whether you think one type is better than another that is opinion
but they are all the same breed that is a fact as well
just the facts
Oh and whoever asked what are the types look at a bunch of FT champs then compare to a bunch of show champs then compare to a bunch of DK's and you will notice the difference in appearances generally found within these 3 , granted some will cross the boundries of the 3 or of 2 of the three.. |
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| 01/12/2011 7:13 PM |
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just the facts 3 different types and many dogs that fall somewhere inbetween at least 2 of the 3 main types ..
Just because many want only one type , doesnt mean there arent many others who want a very different type and are breeding for that type and will continue to breed for that type and there are many who are breeding somewhere inbetween the three main distinct types
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| 01/12/2011 10:03 PM |
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For what their job is pixie I am sure they do great but you bring them out here for a job and they wont last.
They are build too big and bulky for whats required on the prairies. Pheasants they will do good on but you need a lighter built dog for running big all day to cover ground for huns and sharps.
BTW thats my point exactly is that perfect type is in the eyes of the beholder. The DK and the GSP are 2 totally different dogs now and I would even venture to say that the Conformation GSP and Field bred GSP are getting to the point where they are 2 different types as well. |
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| 01/13/2011 1:21 AM |
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Posted By briarpatch on 01/12/2011 8:01 PM
My liver/white dog is 26". Aside from my guy being b/w and the one being 1" over - they both fall well within the AKC standard
how do they both fall well within the AKC standard if 1 is DQed for size and one is DQed for color ??
Neither meet the AKC standard ...let alone fall well within it as stated ![<img src=]() " align="absMiddle" src="/DesktopModules/NTForums/themes/blue/emoticons/smile.gif" />
There is no DQ for size in the US GSP standard.
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briarpatch
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| 01/13/2011 4:32 AM |
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I meant type in accordance with what i read on the AKC website (and kennel club as i'm in the UK) i just find it hard to picture what they're describing as the perfect 'type' when they start talking about the curve of the rib cage, and the tuck up, and how the shoulders should look etc etc. I guess i'll have a look online for some show champions.
I know it differs, happens in the horse world too, and just cos a horse has perfect conformation doesn't mean it'll be good at its discipline, i'm sure the same goes for hunting these dogs, i bet there are some awesome hunters out there with round eyes or long legs. So i suppose what i meant was pictures of type for showing as i'm assuming you can hunt any dog regardless of how many legs it's got (lol) and get titles on it if it's good? |
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pixie bee
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| 01/13/2011 4:54 AM |
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My dogs are 70lbs and would do well running for hours in the prairies. They are lean and are not 'big boned'. Conditioning will solve most dog's issues with terrain.
Ryan, do you have proof the job can not be done by my dogs?
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