Pixee Bee,

Do you know what they say about people who assume everyone else is lying?

I did the cheek swabs myself on all three dogs. My offer still stands (third time) to have yoiu come reswab if you would like to call me out as a liar, which apparently you do. The samples were legit.

The GSP is no more difficult to mark than any other breed. There is no test that can reliably determine pure bred status. If there were, this debate would be alot shorter. If you believe there is one, give me the name of the facility of your choosing and I will pay to have two of your prized show dogs tested. The only condition is that you post the results on this forum in the form of a downloadable .pdf.

There is no crime in not knowing everything, it just makes you look foolish when you try. You might even consider re-reading some of your own posts before you contradict yourself so blatantely. The whole E vs. e discussion is what we have been talking about. One school says GSPs dont have pointer blood (or at least not any pointer blood that contained 'e')  in them (in that model, the 'e' would never be present in a pure GSP). Others say that it is possible for the 'e' to be present in a pure GSP due to the origins of the breed. That leaves futher debate when the 'e' does show up as to whether it is a more recent 'woodpile' crossing or from its orignal crossing. Short of testing all ancestors, there is no scientific method of resolving this debate.

Nothing I have read on this topic leads me to believe there is any other genetic mechanism working other that the 'e'. So your question about other markers is not relevant to the discussion, and no, I did not test for them. When 'ee' is present (one 'e' from both parents) the e locus "trumps" all other coat color genes and viola, lemon GSP.

Apollo was born pure white, or at least as far as I saw. He began getting some coloring in the first week and it continued to develop for some time. There was another all white pup that did not survive due to complications during whelping. I can only assume that he would have looked similar to Apollo. (by the way you commented on all this stuff when I posted it the first time too).

The biggest irony of your posts is you give far fetched reasoning to discredit reknown experts, but have no difficulty stating your personal observations as fact.

Time to give it up, flash.

It's getting tiresome.

You've picked on me from the begining of your posting to this thread.

You have accused me of discrediting reknowned experts and calling people liars. You can not prove either - simply b/c neither are true.

In doing this - you discredit yourself and expose your lack of knowledge and confidence.

Francine

And....
I was just short of posting my father can beat up his father.

Posted By Flash01 on 04/15/2010 8:35 PM
 

Dude seriously drop it. Getting old. Now your just looking for an arguement.

TRUEBLUE Looks as though you are just begging for an arguement out of being bored , But I love to talk dogs and am sick today so am bored as well..

There are many different types of GSP/DKs all the different types have different advantages and different disadvantages.
And someone else stated you are talking of a breed within a breed , NO I am talking of different types with in a breed like field labs and show labs or something to that effect, most hunting breeds have different types within the breed. They are still the same breed but most hunting breeds do come in at least a couple different types ..The GSP/DK also has different types within the breed ..

When it comes to hunting small versus large has its advantages and disavantages.
You speak badly of small burners their advantage they handle the heat well and can run long distances nonstop all day .
You also speak badly of large show dogs one of their advantages is they handle the cold weather and water better..

There are also GSP/DKs that fall somewhere in the middle they have their advantages and disadvantages as well .There are many types of this breed within the breed all have their advantages and disadvantages when it comes to hunting.

Yes a pup growing into a larger dog takes a little more time to find its legs however when fully grown a longer legged dog can run just as well as a shortlegged dog with less effort if in shape and hunted regularly. They may not handle the heat as well though or last as long on a hot day.

I think we have been lucky so far and the GSP hasnt been damaged yet by show people as many hunting breeds have and lost their hunting ability hopefully the show people who love this breed will continue to keep the hunting ability of the shorthair within the breed and not allow this breed to go the way of so many other hunting breeds and loose its hunting ability in the future and continue to use this dog for what it is born and bred to do hunt..

My bitch Belle is out of direct DK blood and larger than any American show bitch I have seen if you would like to come out and see how a larger dog runs and hunts you are welcome anytime , I think you would learn abit about how a larger dog can run and hunt..

These are just some of my opinions I see no reason to enter into a mine is better than yours , they all have advantages and disadvantages when its time to hit the woods and fields..Pick the GSP and breeder who breeds for the advantages that suite your hunting style.. One persons throwback in this breed is anothers prized dog in another field or hunting arena.