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pixie bee
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| 05/11/2012 9:10 AM |
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Here's a good plan to evaluate your own dog (but be prepared for kennel blindness) for those who have no interest in hunting. All you need to do is buy about 12 bumpers,I like the 3" ones, and a training program such as Hillman,Graham or Lardy - there are others these are the ones I like. Follow the program of your choice and learn about your dog. Post pictures of your dog for conformation evaluations - you're likely to get accurate responses. Hope this gives some ideas. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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weerubbertummy Ayrshire, Scotland
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| 05/11/2012 9:26 AM |
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Thanks again guys. I realised this morning that it's 6 months to the day of losing Kintra and i'm now thinking that maybe this decision is a kneejerk reaction even after all this time. My intentions are honourable but maybe they are subconsciously influenced by the health thing because of what happened to her.
However, it has given me a lot to think about with regard to what activities i want to take further with Keely, just for fun initially. But i do need to get a few years experience and achievement under my belt before thinking about breeding.
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Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx |
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weerubbertummy Ayrshire, Scotland
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| 05/11/2012 9:30 AM |
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| That's a great idea pixie bee, i'll be giving that a go. Would be great to get some feedback! |
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Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx |
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smatulewicz Michigan
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| 05/11/2012 9:37 AM |
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I think getting involved in some activities is a great idea. We are fortunate to have so much natural things at our disposal where we live, but the downside is a lack of opportunity for training/showing...etc. I do however, see a potential love and great performance for Bella in Dock Diving and hope to try and make one of the events about 4 hours away later this summer to learn and let her try it. I also did find an agility training option (because she also LOVES all things obstacle) a little over an hour away...but I'm just not sure it would be worth the drive once a week. But Bella loves nothing more than to have a task and something that she needs to "perform well" in. I understand your thinking about breeding. You love your pup....she's a great dog, so why wouldn't others love the pups of your pup and be fortunate to have a great dog of their own. I just, for one, couldn't do it. I'll leave it to the pros. |
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weerubbertummy Ayrshire, Scotland
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| 05/11/2012 9:50 AM |
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Been looking into the dock diving thing too, although a little premature as Keely's still slightly dubious about the water but i'm sure she'll enjoy it more in the warmer weather. Looks like Bella's turning into a water baby sure enough! Agility is definately something we'll take further with Keely as we actually struggle to keep her OFF the equipment at the puppy class - she's now moved up a class and is taking part in a puppy obedience demonstration for charity at the end of this month (i'm so proud :0)) it's a shame as i think she would do agility all day if she could but it'll be a long time before she gets to do it properly because of her young bones and joints. I just think i've hit a stage where i feel like we both really need to get our teeth into something and have something to aim for because she's just so enthusiastic about everything. There is budget friendly agility equipment available over here, could you maybe invest in one or two safe items of equipment to try with Bella before signing up for regular classes so far away? Got to say, if the video of her jumping over you is anythiing to go buy i'm sure she'll really take to agility. |
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Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx |
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smatulewicz Michigan
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| 05/11/2012 10:40 AM |
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I have a handy hubby (I think I'll keep him lol) and he has talked about making a few agility pieces for the yard. What's one more thing to amuse the neighbors. We enrolled Bella in a basic obedience training class here when she was a squirt...mostly for the socialization with bigger dogs. Luckily the "puppy" class was cancelled and she got to move up via the trainers judgement call with the big dogs. She was pretty much the star pupil (minus the day we demonstrated heel). My point is the class was taught her nothing but to give us an outlet to work on things in a distracting environment...and made her greatly comfortable with big dogs (which was worth the money I suppose). I'm just worried the agility class would end up the same...but it is put on by a kennel club and not just a young inexperienced trainer so ... it may be worth while. |
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weerubbertummy Ayrshire, Scotland
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| 05/11/2012 11:11 AM |
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I totally know what you're meaning. But if it's any help, i think the reason our puppy class worked well for Keely was actually because of the agility aspect, aside from that i think she would have lost focus too quickly but i've got to say our trainer is great and she really tailored the class for the pups - short periods of training, a wee shot at the A-frame, 5 minutes off-leash then a recall exercise to get them all back on leash, then some on-leash greetng, and so on. But interspersing all of that with a shot (on-leash) on the agility equipment brought their focus back pretty quickly because they have to focus but are still under their owners control. And yep, we had and still have the same problem with loose leash at the class but i think i'm getting somewhere with it by myself now, phew! |
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Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 05/11/2012 11:11 AM |
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For those interested in agility there are quite a few on this forum that do it and we even have an AKC judge on the forum, so I would post questions about getting started and equipment, etc. There are lots of things you can do with puppies to get them prepare for all the jumping, etc in agility right now. Also you can make puppy friendly equipment for them as well. They can actually start the tunnels, weaves and contacts right now too. I would recommend asking for a list of good books or videos to get you started.
As for dock diving shorthairs shine at it and really love it. Do not be surprised though even if you have a water loving GSP when they get on the platform and you as them to jump into a pool of clear water, some take a bit of time. The clear water is a bit scary and the regulation docks are about 2 feet off the water. So, just be prepared. We have a regulation dock in Austin that I take my dogs to once in a while. All of my dogs love water, but the only one that would jump off the dock without hesitating was Halo. I had to work with Ringo and Fauna to get them to trust that it was ok to jump into that clear water.
The other thing you guys might want to look into if they have in Europe is Rally. It is fairly new as an AKC performance event, but has caught on and especially for those that are just getting started in performance events. It is kind of a cross between obedience and agility. A course is setup with various obedience exercises and you and the dog go through the course and at each station you perform what is on the sign. You are scored on the exercises and also timed. The time only comes into play if there is a tie. Unlike in formal obedience you can talk to your dog and use arm motions too to help your dog through each exercise.
Even if you don't have Rally in your area, you can always print out the signs from the AKC site and set up your own course wherever you want to. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
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weerubbertummy Ayrshire, Scotland
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| 05/11/2012 11:21 AM |
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Jeezo, i was just telling my other half about your last post texas belle, and he agrees that if it wasnt for quarantine we would love to move to the US! I love Scotland, but it's CRAP for dog owners in many ways - we have a great natural environment (and admittedly there arent many restrictions aside from those relating to nesting birds and sheep) but nowhere actually caters for the needs of dogs where activities are concerned! |
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Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx |
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pixie bee
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| 05/11/2012 12:37 PM |
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| I'll leave it to the pros. Breeding is a crap shoot. Yes, we can make good guesstimates - but genetics is unpredictable. That's why we need to start out with good stock. What we SEE isn't necessariy what we'll get when we breed. Research genotype and phynotype penetrance and expressivity Incomplete dominance allels and the list goes on No one has it figured out If you want to breed,go ahead but be responsible to the breed - not to just put more dogs into this world or to satisfy some need we have As far as your country not being supportive - I have my own views basically - go do your own thing why do you need a group? You want to train for something - go ahead and train When I got into the German system I had a supportive husband, a dog and a book I educated myself,made mistakes and have become better for it. I'm still ot where I want to be, but I'm getting there - one step at a time Stand up, get started and let's see some results |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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weerubbertummy Ayrshire, Scotland
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| 05/11/2012 12:54 PM |
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"Stand up, get started and let's see some results"
Jeezo pixie bee, were you a drill instructor before you became involved in the dog world? |
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Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx |
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pixie bee
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| 05/11/2012 1:18 PM |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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therozypozy
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| 05/11/2012 2:38 PM |
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I have one of Texas Belle's puppies from her litter. I am attending a handling class for the conformation ring and the AKC Judge (judges GSPs) who I am taking the class from said I had a very nice GSP and asked if I was going to breed her. My response was, why would I do that, her sister is going to be bred!
No doubt it is alot of work to breed, but it does sound like you are approaching it the right way and asking questions and doing research. As a buyer I certainly looked at the line and the titles. I do not hunt, but I will look at hunting titles on dogs for the bidability along with those performance titles, and if some are in agility and obedience, even better. So no doubt if you get your puppy involved in something and get some titles, you will improve your chances of finding really great homes for your puppies. No doubt there are some great pet homes, but typically I find that performance homes treat their dogs as part of the family, will spend the money to keep them healthy and not just put into the backyard as another yard ornament.
So don't rush breeding as you can see Texas Belle waited until Halo was 5 . . . although on the older side, she no doubt did her homework too finding a stud dog that would improve the breed and she has had an awesome first litter.
And for agility, I love it. Just went to the AKC Nationals with my older GSP Maple and we had such a great time. My younger GSP will be doing her first agility trial in June and we can't wait. Of course she is pretty birdie, so I have decided to not do her first trial in an outside arena (where there are almost always pigeons) and will do it at an indoor soccor field. LOL. |
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