Never let it be said that you need any facts at all to perpetuate an arguement.

If you care enough to "argue" I suggest (again) that you call the AKC and duke it out with them, not me. I dont make the rules. If you speak to someone specific (like name and extension specific) send me a PM (or post publically if you want) and I will contact them.

If I have violated the rules, I will retract his registration. Like I said before, I called them several times (talking to more than one person) with SPECIFICS about the DQ to make sure it was legit. Let me know.

If all dogs that had a DQ were unregisterable there wouldnt be many left that were registerable

Now we're talkin'!

I'm talking about DQ faults, not serious or eliminating faults (and there IS a difference!) I'm in no way ripping on Flash's dog, or questioning his purebred status. Nor am I saying I agree with the AKC's breed standard. I'm talking about AKC's policies...a DQ fault is a most serious fault that is considered detrimental to the breed standard. Apparently in AKC DQ means DQ from the show ring only, and not a DQ from registration. However, black is listed as a DQ along with lemon, yet it has obviously become popular enough in the breed that they have given a color code for a DQ color. Following are the DQ's for the AKC GSP standard:
 

China or wall eyes.
Flesh colored nose.
Extreme overshot or undershot.
A dog with any area of black, red, orange, lemon, or tan, or a dog solid white.

In my mind, a dog with a DQ should not be registerable. And again, Flash, I am not merely speaking about your dog as my black also has a DQ according to AKC. I'm not saying the AKC breed standard is something I agree with either...I believe they are the only registry that lists blacks as a DQ. But, I think if a fault is considered severe enough to be listed under the DQ's, instead of just a simple fault, serious fault, or even eliminating fault, it should bar registration. As I said, silver is a DQ color for labs with UKC, and as such, it's not even listed as an option on puppy papers. Yet the DQ color black in GSP's IS listed.

Man, you guys are on fire.

He IS registered... perfectly within the rules.

AMEN!!!!

flash,

You are an intelligent person. I know you are b/c I read your posts.
Why do you not believe that this dog is mixed?
What about the looks and conformation about your dog says GSP?
This has got to be the worst case of kennel blindness, ever.

 

Well if you like having someone tell you what you can or cant breed then buy your dogs from DKV breeders and stay within the DKV ...its pretty simple ..they have rules just like that where a breed warden comes and looks at the litter and decides if it is registerable or not and you must pass certain conformation and hunt tests to be able to breed the parents ..

I personally am from America and like the freedom of being able to breed what dogs i deem of breedable quality and dont feel I need someone to tell me what is a breedable dog and what is not

That being said the DKV does produce some awesome dogs , I gotta give them that ...

Silly me, I still think dogs can hunt and look good at the same time.  Or should I say, conform to the breed standard for both performance and conformation at the same time. 

And I think people who work toward that are doing the breed a much greater service than anyone breeding for only one or the other, no matter which side they choose, show or hunt.  They don't have to be the top show dog or the top field dog, but they should far comfortably within the standards for both.

This is an interesting question. Reading skills seemed to be trumped by emotion frequently on this forum. Please quote me saying my dog is a pure bred GSP. Please quote me saying that he does not have some pointer in him.

The only thing I have ever claimed is that he is from the Registered GSPs. And that I stand by. I also stated that he is registerable. I did not make this up. I did not bend or get around any rules to make this happen.

CathyYak. The breeder that produced this dog was not working towards producing this color. In fact, this is the first dog he has ever seen of this color in his 30 years or so of breeding. I suggest that you direct your anger and energy toward the AKC, not me or my dog. Your twisting of facts to serve your agenda reveals your true nature.

I did do genetic testing. Second + generations of dogs were not available to me or I would have done the testing. I have absolutely nothing to hide.

I am curious though, how many generations of testing would satisfy you for this dog to registered? You have said that nothing will convince you. I believe you. That is pretty amazing given your alledged reading of genetics, etc. If science has taught us anything (I have a Masters of Science degree, no kidding) is that outliers exist.  Weird stuff happens.

I find it very amusing how folks quote or refernce the AKC as an expert body when it serves their point, but discount is a money making outfit when it doesnt. I registered him with the AKC not the GSPCA. I think everyone who feels that the AKC is nothing but a money making outfit should discontinue participating in events sponsored and sanctioned by them, both conformation and field events. Seems kind of hypocritical not to. Put your money where your mouth is. Maybe if you did, they would be forced to listen to "reason".

briarpatch,
your statement of what a breed warden does is not accurate.
I do believe that it is for the betterment of a breed to have a breeding standard.
Freedom,as you like to say, has ruined many breeds in this country.
I do own DKs and would only raise and breed GSPs to the same standard as DKs.


 

In all seriousness, though, after re-reading your post, I admit I did read into it more than you actually said. I did misrepresent your statement.