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Tizziec
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| 09/10/2012 4:25 PM |
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The resident dog is entering a two week program this month, then getting fixed after that. As for my training, we are are in a "session" I make sure it is in a familiar place for jake, use repetition, reward, I do use command once then reward when he complies, and in two weeks we are to where that is working steadily well. The problems come when we are in a new place and I need his attention. Given that we have only had him 2 weeks, almost everywhere is new. A session lasts anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour depending on jake, and will occur at least twice a day most days. I am trying to make sure daddy is doing it too, but at times he works against the grain. By giving treats for no reason or not correcting or rewarding poor behavior. I need for speed in the training has to do with daddy being overwhelmed and being worried he will give up. I can't keep jake at my house but I don't want to see him go, I love the bugger.
I am starting with simple obedience, sit, stay, come, but when I am most in need of him coming is when he is least likely to comply, hence my fears. I am very much afraid of him getting loose either by my hand or anyone else's. Like I said, I have no doubt at all about him coming along eventually on his training, he has already shown what a smart bugger he is when in a familiar place. I personally only fear his compliance with "come" when it is most necessary, such as at the park, or if he gets loose, he is a mad squirrell chaser if today is any indication. He came to us with health issues and is only now really starting to show his real self, and he sure wants to hunt and catch those squirrells!
Please dont mistake my concern for this one area for me trying to shortcut his training in general. I am having a great time with our training, and very proud of him so far, I just see need to have concern over his safety, that I did not see in training the other dog to come. The other picked it up very quickly as a pup, partly with a lot of help from his big brother. Buster, the resident dog, never had trouble with giving his attention, just in doing what you wanted after giving attention. |
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Tizziec
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| 09/10/2012 4:27 PM |
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Sorry, was a double post and I can't see how to delete (it's been a while since I have done a forum) |
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Texas Belle
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| 09/10/2012 5:50 PM |
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| I agree with pixie and tattoo. I can ALS guarantee that he is not ready for off leash anywhere after only 2 weeks. Star slow in a controllers area, on leash, no distractions and work slowly up to on leash with a ton of distractions in a wide variety of locations. Only then are you ready to go off leash starting back in the controlled with no distractions place where you started. You also must be ready to give the command once and only once, then you show the dog what you want if he does not respond. I would also be working focus whenever you get a chance. He should be at a 100% before you ever want to work with the ecollar. You may also find you never have to go to the ecollar too. I have had to use the collar on 2 of the 5 shorthairs I am working with right now. Also be sure and reward the good behavior so the dog knows when he is doing things correctly. I rarely give corrections, and stick mostly with positive reinforcement. How long will all this take? That will depend allot on the dog and how often you train. Patience is a good thing in training and I prefer to take my time and err on the side of taking longer. |
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Tizziec
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| 09/10/2012 6:34 PM |
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Oh he is NOT going intentionally off hte leash for a LONG time LOL I am concerned right now with the possible "oops" as he begins to come off restrictions and regain his health. For running he will be on a 25 foot lead (or longer if I can swing it as he REALLY REALLY wants to explore beyond where he is allowed now on leash, and run!) I will keep up with what we are doing, and hold off on introducing the ecollar until later, and only if neccessary. Even in the smallish closed in back yard, I let go of the leash but keep him on it, just in case someone comes in and does shut the door correctly.
As forconsistency in rewards... I am the strict one.. REALLY strict on that point. Unfortunately I seem completely on my own there with 3-4 other people involved (something I would give my left arm to fix, and I am trying, I promise) He can't so much as get a crumb of a trat from me unless he performs one thing or another. I am the same way with the other, to the point where the minute I get to the house, he runs to the back door, sitting and waiting for me to get his treat (then does his "mommy's here" trick  ) but as for other "tricks" I HAD him trained for, he has been overhte years systematically untrained (unless I am holding a treat). I will admit that the resident dog has been shocking the hell out of me lately, doing anything he can to impress me, and REALLY getting back to where I had him as a puppy, but only for me.. though I still like it
Hoping for more training sessions tomorrow (but as a grad student I have to remember my ME training and hit the books.. HARD LOL) |
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pixie bee
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| 09/10/2012 7:07 PM |
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Why are you neutering the other dog?
Your sessions are too long. After 15 minutes you've lost him.
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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Tizziec
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| 09/11/2012 4:20 AM |
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| The other dog is being nuetered because heis not going tobe bred, and after speaing to the vet/trainers, we are told it will takethe edge off some issues he has. He is also a Houdini when he wants to be and has gotten out of the yard several times when no one is home. As forthe training, the time varies by Jake. Sometimes it's 15 minutes, sometimes it's an hour. He enjoys it, I enjoy it, I amnotgoing to stop just because of a clock, I let him tell me when to stop (the longer sessions usually end up that way as they include leash training and a nice long walk with lots of stops for corrections/training ops) I include meeting the neighbors in our training walks as it helps me work with him on how to meet people (and other dogs from time to time with whom he is VERY good with) |
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pixie bee
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| 09/11/2012 5:16 AM |
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looks like you have a plan
best of luck to you
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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Tizziec
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| 09/11/2012 5:39 AM |
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Posted By pixie bee on 09/11/2012 5:16 AM
looks like you have a plan
best of luck to you
I am trying to. Honestly, my panick, and seeking answers iscoming very much off trying to calm daddy down, get him tobe the Alpha of the house, and making sure that now that he went ahead and somewhat impulsively went for a second dog, that we end up keeping him, cuz now I am attached lol. I can't quite describe daddy's personality, but it's keeping me on my toes, that's for sure (Though I THINK Iam getting through to him) |
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tgatto
Lake in the Hills, IL
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| 09/11/2012 8:30 AM |
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There is, unfortunately, no getting around the fact that training takes time. How much time is dependent on the dog (breed, intelligence, disposition), and level of stimulation (to a point). The true mettal of a good trainer/handler is the ability to read the dog for indicators on the level of stimulation, and determine the best stimulation for the dog. Of course, I am talking environmental stimulation, not e-collar stimulation (although that is one type of stimulation). So, effective training in optimal time is determined by the trainer/handler to effectively stimulate the dog at the optimal level, consistently, within each of the behavior modification quadrants - R(+), R(-), P(+), and P(-).
By the way - the same holds true to training your boyfriend  . |
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It is watching the dogs work that I thoroughly enjoy, and love. I could get by with just watching them work - if it weren't for all the training, and the joy they exhibit when they pick-up, and deilver to hand a bird that they pointed, and you shot. - Todd |
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tgatto
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| 09/11/2012 8:41 AM |
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Texas Belle: "Tattoo"? Funny. First time I have been called that. Funnier considering my philosophical stance on tattoos.
Unless, of course, you thought of "Fantasy Island". In which case, I have to say:
"Da PLANE! Da PLANE!".
I do think I am taller than Hervé Jean-Pierre Villechaize was, though. |
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It is watching the dogs work that I thoroughly enjoy, and love. I could get by with just watching them work - if it weren't for all the training, and the joy they exhibit when they pick-up, and deilver to hand a bird that they pointed, and you shot. - Todd |
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Tizziec
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| 09/11/2012 8:57 AM |
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| Haha actually it was an iPad autocorrect lol |
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Tizziec
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| 09/11/2012 9:01 AM |
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Hehe might take an act of god for the boyfriend
As for jake, I am beginning to understand him better as he is coming out of shell. He is more comfortable everyday, and his health has taken a huge step forward. Working on weight gain (weighed in at 55.5 yesterday, walking him to the vet every other day to track on one scale) but all his chest congestion after kennel cough and heart worm seems to have cleared up.. Yay!
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Texas Belle
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| 09/11/2012 11:00 AM |
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| Yep, it was an iPad autocorrect. At least it made you laugh. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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Tizziec
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| 09/12/2012 9:14 AM |
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Going to try the clicker today (if I can figure out where the kid hid it that is LOL) and cooking up some yummy hamburger reward treats after running out of chicken yesterday
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tgatto
Lake in the Hills, IL
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| 09/12/2012 3:31 PM |
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| Keep us posted how it is progressing. I particularly am interested in the effectiveness of the clicker training on recall (Come command). |
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It is watching the dogs work that I thoroughly enjoy, and love. I could get by with just watching them work - if it weren't for all the training, and the joy they exhibit when they pick-up, and deilver to hand a bird that they pointed, and you shot. - Todd |
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Tizziec
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| 09/12/2012 3:44 PM |
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He did well today with sit and stay, and off. Couldn't find the clicker.. 11 year olds have a way of making things magically disappear lol I have to get a new one. Planned on really working out "come" but didn't have time to go to the park, and in the yard he was sticking to my feet. I couldn't get him to go away long enough to use the command haha. I am also worried about his weight as in the same scale he went from 55.5 Monday to 53.5 today, though he is acting quite healthy...
Tomorrow is my day off with doggies to work on school, but we will be back at it Friday. Still might go work with him tonight, but that will be all about getting him to walk at least a little bit into the river with me. |
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Tizziec
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| 09/16/2012 5:42 AM |
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Being the weekend I was really hoping to spend a lot of time with the dogs (since there are two adults available to work on training) but I am faicng some resistence from daddy who is just tired, and reverting back to "it will never work". Everyone was at my house last night for dinner, and a point came where the dogs wanted to fight (started as Jake not growning in agression, but excitement andit set themoff, not uncommon) The good news is that I was able tofinger whistle at Buster really loud (can't always pull it off) but I noticed that after doing that twice, he looked at me, sat down and wagged his tail (weirdo LOL) I think this might be a sign that I have a new tool in the arsenol for stopping the fighting? I am going to try to create a good noise maker. I have an airhorn (I keep it for kayaking and rowing on the river) but that might bug ME too much LOL.
Really really really hoping to get daddy on board today with some good play/training with both dogs. I have to find something that will give him enough hope to get back to work with these two! It doesn't bother me much that he separates them when he is home alone, if just to be able to function better in the home, but on the weekends I want to take the opportunity to have two adults and two dogs working together! (Watching him give both dogs treats for no reason, and without making them sit or anything is driving me nutters too!) Also had a moment where Buster growled, showed teeth at my daughter's little boyfriend, which just, well pisses me off (no excuse, and it was a typical since he was sitting next to me, slightly in front of me, which is a bad place for him to be as it starts him on his possessive thing.. and I am NOT and will NEVER be a dog's toy!) This is where Buster loses mommy to "team jake" LOL |
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Tizziec
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| 09/16/2012 5:53 AM |
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| Clickre Question: I have been looking into the clicker training, trying to make sure I do it right. I am also hoping to FINALLY get to the pet store today to buy a bunch of them to have around. What I am wondering, is.. is it possible to do clicker training with two dogs at the same time? As in, two adult, one for each dog, and working towards first teaching them what the clicker means, then using it on a behavior they both know? I am trying to do three things here, 1. of course get both dogs trained. 2. find time where both dogs are enjoying life TOGETHER so as to work towards friendly interaction 3. Get some good mommy-daddy time in, working together as a team and hopefully leading to some smiles and eased tensions, and just a good time (yes I can easily accept dog training in the park together as "date night" HAHA). Just not sure it's even a good idea to try it |
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Texas Belle
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| 09/16/2012 11:26 AM |
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| For now I would do training one at a time. Both dogs and trainers ca be present, but while one team is working the other team sits and watches. That way the dog in training does not have to worry so much about the other dog. Then I don't think there will be any confusion. Also, you can use anything to mark the behavior. I use a verbal yes, but you could use anything that makes a noise. Some people click the top of a pen to mark. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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Tizziec
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| 09/16/2012 4:24 PM |
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| Again, didn't get to the store to get the clicker LOL Last chance to take down the pool before more rain. Did get the dogs to the park together. They do just fine when walking. TOTALLY forgot about the town tennis courts, and the fact that they are ENCLOSED! Took Jake in, closed the gates and let him off leash! HOLY COW was he a happy camper!!! It gave me a chance to work on "come" and he did GREAT!!!! I am beginning to think maybe attempts were made to train him once, but then he was just left? Once off leash, he sniffed the courts then played around a bit, but kept looking back at me, and when I called him, he would think about it for a second then turn and come. Who knew? LOL Iam going to take him back there this week and do some more work with him Well, providing no one in my stuck up town has a hissy fit about it anyway |
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