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02/25/2008 2:25 AM  

 i have a 12 week old GSP pup i am going to introduce him to birds this week my question is how do i introduce the whoa command i watched the richard walters bird dog video and they show a method using a beam, the only problem with that is that not every one has the ability to teach it that way i was thinking of a check cord or something of that nature but i figure i would ask first.

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02/25/2008 5:25 AM  
Hi,
the best way to start with whoa at this age is to hold the puppy from moving and say "whoa". Release after a second or 2. Do this for about 1 minute.Increase the time as you think you can.You can also have him stop (whoa) before letting him eat,have him stop (whoa) so you can walk thru a doorway first, just have him whoa anytime you like. It doesn't have to be a specific training session.
Soon you will not have to touch him and you will be able to take a step or 2 away.
At this age always set your dog up for success.

Francine


"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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02/25/2008 8:58 AM  

Dont lay down your training with time because every dog is different. I would take your puppy our for a walk on a 15 or 20 foot checkcord. First you want pup to be dragging this Checkcord around so make sure you buy a lighter one. Once puppy is used to dragging the checkcord around let puppy run around one side of the tree while you walk around the other side. When puppy hits the end and stops command whoa. You may have to change the length depending on your puppy. Some may fight the pressure and not stop. In that case you want to be able to stop them as soon as they get around the tree so you can use the tree as a stopper.

One of the best ways I have found for young dogs is to use it in the house. Put down puppy's food then grab puppy and hold her up her head and have one hand underneath ther flank. Dont let her move. Once she has settled down and is standing still command whoa, hold it for a second, then say alright and let her go. She will soon que in that she must stand still before she gets to eat.

Last but not least I would personally wait another 3 months until she is a little older and go to the chain gang. Once she has learned to stand still on the chain gang, take her to the whoa post. Once there have a 20' CC with a loop on it all prepared. The looped end will be looped over the whoa stake and straightened out on the ground. Bring your dog up and wait for her to stand still (proper work on the chain gang will ensure she does this). Now take the CC that is on the whoa post and bring it up between her hind legs and make a half hitch on her flank, then take the brass snap and snap it to the collar. Make sure the ring on the collar is down. Do not use the ) ring on the collars you are going to want to use the D ring. Ok so now connect your other CC to the dog and stand the dog up with enough slack in the whoa post checkcord so that if the dog takes half a step forward it will tighten up cause pressure. Now back up about 10 feet not saying anything and just stand there. The dog will try to walk forward and the pressure will be put on the flank. If the dog wants to fight it let them but dont let them get tangled, also DONT let the dog sit down. This is what your cc is for.

So now that the dog has calmed down for a few seconds you are going to want to wait till the dog shows you he is accepting the post. Look for a swallow, the dog looks around, a blink. These are all signs the dog has accepted the post. So now that the dog is still approach the dog while saying nothing, give it a pat or a scratch then back away again. Wait for that acceptance sign and go back in. 2 times is enough take him back to the chain for a while, do some different exercise, or end your training session. You can come back and do this again in a few hours or that evening.

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02/26/2008 4:32 PM  
I can tell you what I did...but first realize that I wasn't training my this dog to hunt so you may want to change a couple things.

But for me I started to introduce the whoa command first during the heel command....whenever I would stop I would say whoa and get the dog to sit...now I realize with hunting you probably don't want your dog to sit so you can change that and just so long at they stop that's fine. Though you may have to kneel down and just show them where and how they are suppose to stand still the first couple times. Eventually I phased out the whoa command at heel because for obedience everyone wants that automatic sit when you stop...and in between I used a check chord and later re enforced off leash and long distance whoa's with a e-collar all in all it all worked out to be an excellent way for me to teach my dog to whoa. When running out in the open field I could call out whoa from over 100ft away and he'd stop and sit..I was so proud :D
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02/26/2008 7:34 PM  
You did a great job of teaching a command.
Only, "sit" means booty on the floor and "whoa" means stand in place.
What is your command for "sit"?

Francine


"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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02/27/2008 8:02 AM  

i would like to thank everyone for the input i did just as said i am starting off in the house due to the weather being horrrible the last 2 days in Pa. i started in the house with a check cord during feeding time. i know it has been only 2 days when i say whoa when he is going to eat (with the check cord off) he stops in his tracks but then he sits and i do not want him to think that whoa means sit he already know the command sit. just wondering if i am doing something wrong or will this come in time, maybe i shouldnt have tried it without the check cord so fast??????

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02/27/2008 8:19 AM  
You are doing a good job.
He just doesn't know what you want.
When you give the whoa command be close to him so when he goes to sit you can hold him up and repeat whoa.Once he knows what you want he will do it.
He just wants to please you.
Starting in the house is perfect. Less distractions.
What you let a dog do a dog learns.

Francine



"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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02/27/2008 11:00 AM  
If he sits grab his collar and under his flank and lift him up into the stand position. But remember your not wanting to be hard on this dog. When he is standing just give him a whoa.

I agree with Pixie he isnt understanding what you want. Keep doing more drills with you setting him up instead of when he is moving.

You dont need the checkord on him you are only using this at the food bowl until you can move to the whoa post. You want him to be still before you give him the whoa command and make sure you hold him there for a second or 2. Give him the alright and let him go and enjoy his meal.
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10/10/2008 10:07 AM  
I'm reviving this...

I made a mistake and taught my pup to sit when she waits for food, to go through the door, etc. Kinda as a replacement for jumping on me and the kitchen counters as well. So she automatically sits now. What's the best way to introduce whoa without thoroughly confusing her?

She's 14 weeks.

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10/11/2008 8:40 AM  
I use Whoa when I am walking, it is the slowdown command, but not a complete "halt". One thing I am learning with urban mushing is the more I do it the more he catches on... The other day I was working on something and Wachter was in my way and I told him to "gee" and he moved left. Then again when we were running I told him to "gee" and he looked at me like I was batty because the street we needed to turn on was a "haw" I corrected myself .. it is amazing sometimes these dogs get smarter than we are.

Basically one of the best ways to train a "concept" word, is to start using it when your dog is doing what that word means. So if "Whoa" means slow down then you say it to her everytime you are walking and start to slow down. If it means stop then you say it as you stop. When she gets it right praise and reward her, the more you do this the more the word gains meaning in her mind.

Carrie
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