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rmverb
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| 09/14/2012 10:33 AM |
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Hi everyone! My girlfriend and I will be getting a male GSP puppy in the near future and I was just wondering if you guys could recommend some good training resources. Websites, books, etc. We don't plan on hunting with him, and I'm mainly looking for obedience training. Obviously, a solid recall is a must and I plan on using a whistle since he'll be running around in some big fields.
Also, what treats do you find these guys love? I'm looking for something that he'll go nuts over to help me with training. Any other training aids you would recommend?
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smatulewicz Michigan
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| 09/14/2012 2:04 PM |
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First things first...welcome!! I'm sure any one of us could offer you a wealth of info on what worked for us, but you will find and find quickly what works for you guys! There's no end to information on the internet and books as well. I had a number of books that I have since loaned a friend and unfortunately do not have the names...and even the information from those became a smorgasbord of what we quickly found to work and not work for us. I'd recommend crate training immediately, as it's also nice to have a dog used to a crate, regardless of if you intend to use one in the long run or not. Bella earned no crate privileges at about 11 months, but many on here will tell you theirs are still crated at years of age (and three couch pillows of ours will tell you they wish that Bella still was lol). Treats...we purchased small bite sized natural treats from our feed store for training. A little more expensive, but healthier, as we weren't very stingy with them in the early stages while training. Keep an eye on the stool for if there may be any tummy issues from too many treats. You can always just use kibble for training treats as well. Other than that, Bella loved and still loves baby carrots. She would shoot the moon for cheese, so when I started training in more distractions...I used this. I would also recommend having a very special and very yummy that you use ONLY for recall. Bella's were wet nasty smelling jerky things... I cut them into very small pieces and she quickly learned that if she appropriately responded to "here"... she got those. Mostly, just establish a nice routine... hang on to your patience... and be consistent. ENJOY the puppy phase, because as someone celebrating her pup's 1 YEAR bday tomorrow (Yes, cake included)...it goes by so insanely fast. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 09/14/2012 3:52 PM |
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| So, find a good obedience class for puppies and get registered. Find out what the breeder has already done with regard to training and socialization and get your breeders recommendations. They should be your first resource for advice and questions for the life of your dog. Then go online at Amazon or Dogwise and start reading puppy raising books, animal behavior books, and obedience training books. Read everything you can and keep an open mind on all methodologies. Build your mental toolkit because what works for one may not for another. Also, think about the types of training you are comfortable with. Patience and flexibility will make you a good trainer. Never ever loose your temper with your dog. Fun and positive rewards go a very long way, but there is a time and place for using negative reinforcement, but when you do it should never be in anger. Shorthairs are some of the smartest dogs I have ever trained, but they are also soft. I have never seen a shorthair that didn't want to please. Remember too if your dog isn't doing what you ask it is your fault not the dogs. You need to show them better what you want. Most of all remember that training should be fun for you and your dog. Good luck and be sure to post some pictures, we love pictures, and welcome to the forum and the world of shorthairs. You are in for allot of fun. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
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GSPCRNA Pennsylvania
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| 09/15/2012 10:15 AM |
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Thanks for the replies! I'm the original poster, but I changed my username. We definitely plan on crate training. It's a must for us since we'll be away from home during the day. smatulewicz, do you remember the name of the nasty, smelly jerky treats? We've thought about obedience class. Do you think it is more effective than taking the time to train the dog myself?
Does anyone know of a good method to train the dog to respond to whistle commands? I'll definitely be researching online about good dog training methods. I was just wondering if anyone had a system that worked well for them that they would recommend. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 09/15/2012 10:55 AM |
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I make my own training treats and the recipes for what works best with my dogs are on my website. If you want a good store bought training treat the Bil Jac is a good option. Most dogs love it. I also only use those special treats for training which helps make them high value. The high value part is important which is why I don't use their everyday kibble in training. Other good high value treats are hotdogs, cheese, cooked fajita meat as long as it isn't too spicy, popcorn, Cheetos, lots of choices out there. Also use play with toys as a reward. The play as a reward helps keep training fun and exciting for the dog, and helps eith focus. Whatever you use for play it too needs to only be used when training. Each dog is different in what motivates them, so as a trainer you have to try different things until you figure it out. You also need several things in case they for whatever reason loose interest in one of the rewards.
I like the obedience classes for several reasons: socialization, training the handler which is more often what is needed even with very experienced trainers, giving you several options for discussing training techniques and working through problems, keeping you motivated to progrees your traingping and doing homework, etc. I compete in the obedience ring and have for 9 years, but I still go to classes for all of the above reasons and more. As for one training technique I on't recommend any one single technique, but much prefer to pick up different techniques from different trainers. As I said before what works for one dog may not work for another. Also, most trainers that write books are using labs, goldens, shepards, border collies, but not shorthairs. If you trainer a shorthair like a lab or golden ( and I am only talking about obedience training) you will loose them fast. They will get bored and not like the training. They are too smart for all the repetitions. Shorthairs do best in training once they understand the exercise if you start throwing problems (variations of the exercise) at them and letting them figure it out. Rewarding effort is also important even if they don't get it quite right. That is basically the same method as clicker training where you are shaping behavior. I do like the concept behind clicker training, but I have modified it a bit and use a verbal marker. I also do not do as much shaping initially, but instead use more luring and then marking.
All of this is why I recommended both class and reading obedience training books. I would even recommend reading some of the competition obedience training books as you will pick up ideas to incorporate in your training even if you never compete. Also, be careful of what you read on the web as anyone can claim expertise and post information. Some is good and some is not. The more you read the more you will be able to separate out what you want to use. Don't be afraid to try things and change your mind. Shorthairs are very forgiving of their trainers. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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smatulewicz Michigan
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| 09/15/2012 11:28 AM |
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Regardless of whether you go to an obedience class you will be training actively yourself on a daily basis. Where we live, we didn't have many options and the class we took was with a young inexperienced trainer just getting started. We knew going into it that we weren't going to learn much in the way of what we were already doing, but the socialization for Bella was WELL worth what we paid for the class. (Not to mention the boost to our egos that she got to "skip a grade" (puppy class) and was already the squirt of the bunch, but the best behaved and trained). So I would highly recommend doing both if possible where you live. Most of our training came from what we know from other dogs (tweaking to what worked with this breed), what we read, and what we agreed upon as dual trainers. There was a time in my life I wanted to be a dog trainer, so I have always done a lot of reading and research. You will find a wealth of helpful info. Her Jerky treats I believe were Milo's Kitchen. I'm not sure how great they are in the realm of ingredients since I knew they wouldn't be used often. I cut them into small pieces and kept them in a ziplock bag in my pocket (when she was a pup I always had pockets full of treats lol). These treats made me reek! I had to remind myself to take them out if we went to the dog park so I wasn't ambushed Texas Belle has some great recipes on her website. Bella and her friends are getting her cake recipe today for her first birthday Ahh, yes...I forgot cheetos. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 09/15/2012 12:49 PM |
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| Let me know how the kids like that cake. Also it doesn't rise much so I now double the recipe. PS - the humans like it too, just not very sweet. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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smatulewicz Michigan
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| 09/15/2012 2:47 PM |
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I doubled it too and did "cupcakes" but they are more like fat cookies. They look great though. I will post some pictures later |
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