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DuckFeverUser is Offline
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09/13/2012 6:08 PM  

 So how is the best way to go about trying to cut down on how far Rowdy (6 months old) ranges out.  At times he'll range out 200+ yards (he comes from strong field trial lines, so I know range was going to be a potential issue).  Is 6 months (and only 3 hunts under his belt) too soon to try to curb his range?  Should I just let him do his thing and bust birds far out of range for now?  I've shot 7 birds over him so far this year and he has pointed all of them except the dove, obviously.  Should I use a check cord?  I think a check cord is easier said than done, since it will constantly be hanging up on bushes, rocks, trees, etc. when in the field.  He stays close when he's tired, but otherwise it's off to the races as far as he wants to range.  He shows very good recall to the whistle for his age, but I don't want to blow the whistle too often in the field, nor do I want to create a handler-dependent dog.  He ranged far out of range (and often out of sight) on my sage grouse hunt yesterday and today, but stayed close at one point for a solid point on a grouse.  Mostly, he was far away and busting birds and hunting on his own.  I wasn't too concerned or frustrated though, since I know he's a pup and it's his first year.  In any case, any help on the range issue would be appreciated.   


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09/14/2012 8:24 AM  
IMO: Really depends on the type of hunting you are doing. Pheasants in the prairie is different than grouse in woodland. For me, I need the dog to be tight-working due to the nature of hunting in a club, where the dogs need to stay in strips of cover due to other hunters. So, I understand your concerns. Rowdy will figure things out over time in the field if you let him, and are able to allow him to run-big. He will learn, if he is intelligent enough, that if he holds solid point, you will find him and flush/shoot the bird so he can get it - vs. bump the bird and it flies away. Other posts here talk about using launchers to encourage steadiness, which is basically just a controlled way to teach the dog what it will eventually learn hunting wild birds. Risk with the wild birds is that he catches, or runs-down a bird (reinforcing the wrong behavior) - then you will have an issue you need to train through.

For me, I work Sadie in wide-open terrain with very minimal cover (envision a football field) during training sessions - where use of the recall is just part of the field obedience, along with other commands (Sit, Whoa, heel, hunt). I also work-in retrieves, and casting in this wide-open training. Basically, I can see the dog, and she can see me. The goal in this is to keep her around the range I want her (with the occasional over-range). I find when I do this, when I move into cover, she naturally tightens-up. It builds trust (both ways). In training, I worry less about over-use of the whistle - the point is obedience. When in the field hunting, I find I don't have to use it as much, but when I do her compliance is much more reliable, which is a necessity at the clubs I hunt in Northern Illinois.

Of course, with a GSP, the advantage is that the dog will stand-off game for as long as it takes the hunter to flush, and shoot it. So, if wild-bird hunting is what you are doing in open spaces, maybe you want to stay with the big-running dog, and invest in a beeper with a point/run option, or a GPS Collar (for a GSP!) to find the dog. Not something that can be done with a flusher, or a dog that is always bumping birds (what is the difference, after all?!), but once steady, this is a great option to have good success in the field!

It is watching the dogs work that I thoroughly enjoy, and love. I could get by with just watching them work - if it weren't for all the training, and the joy they exhibit when they pick-up, and deilver to hand a bird that they pointed, and you shot. - Todd
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09/14/2012 11:44 AM  
I agree with tgatto it really depends on what type of hunting you do. The fields we hunt here are very large. The fields we hunt average about 17,000 acres so we like our dogs to range out fairly far. Two to four hundred yards is pretty common for them. They'll shorten up during pheasant season when we're working thicker cover. Hunting mountain grouse didn't work very well for me until my dog was about 3..
One thing to remember is your dog is very, very young. He is only 6 or 7 months old. The kind o staunchness your looking for in big fields on wild birds is still 18 months or so away with proper training and lots of hunting experience. This was probably the first time he ever smelled a prairie grouse.
You need to make sure your still doing your training during the week. Get a pigeon and plant it with it's wings folded or under something that keeps it from flying away but allows scent to escape. Lead Rowdy on a check cord on the downwind side so you cross the scent and whoa him as soon as he smells it. Flush the bird and shoot it. After a few of these try him off the check cord. When your out hunting I wouldn't put him on a check cord. He's still a pup let him run, make mistakes and learn. In a couple of years you'll a have a fine dog. One thing to remember is just because a bird flushes by him doesn't mean he smelled the bird. Just because we think the scent should be blowing towards him doesn't mean it is.
DuckFeverUser is Offline
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09/14/2012 11:59 AM  
Both solid advice. THank you both, I will certainly use what you each said in my training.

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